09-21-2012, 12:13 AM #41
09-21-2012, 12:35 AM #42
09-21-2012, 04:43 AM #43
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Revere + Parmelee will probably be better than Span + Revere. However, trading Span is probably a bad idea. If a trade gets us a pitcher that will be an innings eater for 3 years + a couple "prospects with upside", then perhaps it would be a good trade, given the Twins need. However, it is far more likely that Span will improve in his prime years, and the pitchers will break down.
The solution may be to not trade any of them and rotate them in and out of the lineup.
09-21-2012, 08:20 AM #44
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Perhaps they can trade Mornie next season at the trade deadline, IF they are out of it, again. But the best way to prevent that is to trade Span and Parmalee for pitching.
09-21-2012, 08:36 AM #45
But that didn't happen. The Twins let Parmelee sit on the bench for months, accruing just a handful of ABs with the ML club. No team is going to offer anything of significance for a guy who suddenly broke out 13 months ago but then stagnated for a large portion of the following season riding the pine.
09-21-2012, 12:10 PM #46
You only trade Mornie if you can get a pitcher close to Major league ready AND you spend that 14+ million on another arm. WAR= 2 stud pitchers- Mornie finally coming back.
09-21-2012, 05:12 PM #47
09-21-2012, 05:15 PM #48
I thought I posted this, but maybe not (I tend to type things for awhile and then think better of continuing various conversations . . . ).
If Span is traded and Revere repeats this sub .675 OPS and is not worth it at the top of the order, what the hell is the plan?
09-21-2012, 05:18 PM #49
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09-21-2012, 06:17 PM #52
Add the fact that Revere is better with the glove, faster and better on the bases; top it with certain weirdnesses that Span has like claustrophobia, tendency to fall asleep on the base paths etc; look at the salaries, the respective attitudes and what they can bring in return and it is a no-brainer-----
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09-21-2012, 10:10 PM #53
Here's what he has to say in his latest "UZR Primer" on Fangraphs:
As an answer to "Does UZR tell us what actually happened on the field?"
"A player’s UZR does not necessarily tell you how he actually played just as it does not necessarily tell you what his true talent is."
He goes on to compare batting average to UZR to illustrate his point. In one--BA--we know factually what happened. In one--can you guess which one--he tells us we DON'T know what really happened.
He goes on at great lengths to explain why, and then basically tells us to come up with our own guess as to how to regress UZR when looking at small samples. His personal guess is 50%....when looking at a YEAR'S worth of data. "If my own invention, UZR, tells me he's +10 defender, I automatically make him +5 in my head. If it's a month's worth of data, I regress it by 85%."
In your terms, what he is saying is "well, yeah, we measured the St Paul guy at 6'1", but we don't really know if our measuring stick is defective or not. We're not even sure if we're measuring height. Let's call him 3'6" and go with that. Or, pick your own number, if 3'6" doesn't look good to ya. Then, let's go measure some more guys, take a guess at their height, and when we add them all up we'll be good!"
You can verify this at http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...hs-uzr-primer/
09-21-2012, 11:01 PM #54
The difference between Span and Revere is that Span is a legit and very solid major league CF. Revere is a 4th OF who had a lucky/whatever you call it first half to 2012 that made him seem like some real option in the OF.
As far as 2013 goes, Revere can be a perfectly fine stop gap at CF for a year or so until Hicks or someone else is ready to step up, but make no mistake about it, Span is twice the player Revere will ever be. Revere has value, but he is basically a poor man's Juan Pierre, which isn't exactly saying a whole lot.
I for one can't wait for Hicks to take over CF and send Revere back to the 4th OF/PR role where he utimately belongs in.
09-22-2012, 01:18 AM #55
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If the Twins talk of trading Span for pitching, here is to hope that the Twins say not good enough to an offer for Span, and say how about Revere instead and the team bites on it.
09-22-2012, 02:35 PM #56
I don't mean to pollute the waters any more, but it IS true that Ben Revere and Chris Parmelee are just not likely in the long term starting plans. The Twins have Hicks, Arcia, and Benson on the one hand, and the likes of Miguel Sano and Travis Harrison on the other (both could likely be moved to 1B), and Kennys Vargas for 1B/DH.
One option would be to keep the productive Span AND Morneau until they are truly replaced by the NEXT group, not by the current group. Meanwhile, 2013 is a showcase of Revere and Parmelee.
Just throwing another idea out there . . .
Having 7 guys for 6 lineup spots in 2013 doesn't bother me and that certainly is better bench depth than simply Butera, Mastro, Caroll, Escobar, Carson . . .