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    Article: Should the Twins shop for a shortstop this offseason?


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    I'm all for Maicer Izturis.

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    The Twins should be shopping for a lot of things, not the least of which is middle infielders.

    To be honest I think the Twins are more likely to sign a free agent shortstop than a starting pitcher.

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    Florimon is fun to watch, and he is capable of learning. Lots of guys get better with the glove over time as they become more familiar with their home field and such. Meanwhile he covers a huge area, which Twins pitchers appreciate.

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    Any chance the Rangers make Elvis Andrus available now that Jurickson Profar, baseball's #1 prospect, is in the majors? What would it take to get him on the Twins? Not saying the Twins should make the move, but all options should be examined.

    Also, just taking a quick glance at SS that might be available via free agency, it doesn't seem like there's much to get excited about.

    This scenario seems similar to the Pierzynski/Mauer situation. Baseball's top prospect, valuable defensive position, blocked in the majors by an all-star type player just about to get expensive.
    Last edited by mk; 09-07-2012 at 11:02 AM. Reason: added thought

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    I'm not against it, but in my mind, it should be all about pitching. Unless you can get Andrus for a reasonable price, I'd be OK with going to spring training with Plouffe, Florimon, Carroll, Escobar and Dozier for three positions and a utility spot or two. We generally agree that next year is not a competitive year for the Twins most likely anyway, right? Get them all some at bats and see if you can get a slightly above average player out of them.

    I'm not willing to give up on Dozier yet. I wish he had not been called up for a few more weeks, and I wish he would have been sent down a month earlier so that he could actually work on all these things. Carroll is solid. Florimon and Escobar have good gloves. Get them some time rather than wasting $ that should go to pitching.

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    We generally agree that next year is not a competitive year for the Twins most likely anyway, right?
    Then why worry about spending money on pitching?

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    Then why keep Mornreau, Span, or Willingham? If they really wanted to, they could try to compete next year. If they are not going to do that, those three and Doumit should all be trades. Yes, they should try to find a shortstop for next year.

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    The Twins have to many options at ss already, what will you do with them if not given a chance to play, The Twins young SP have look
    good, maybe a vet like Guthrie and or Liriaro is all they need.

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    Pitching and SS should be their priority every single season until they figure it out.

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    > outside of a geriatric doctor in Sarasota performing physicals

    Ew.

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    I think you can hide a defense-only SS on a roster a lot easier than a complete lack of starting pitching.

    Elvis Andrus is fantastic, but I am guessing Texas would want starting pitching back i any trade for him. They seem to have their lineup pretty well set, and might even want to keep him, move him or Profar to 2B and move Kinsler to the OF if Hamilton leaves. Good gravy, Texas is good.

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    Trade for Hardy, sign Liriano and Lohse all set.
    I wish they had a plan either spend some money and try to build a short term playoff team or rebuild.You have Morneau (13), Willingham, Doumit, Carroll and Span thru 14. Now either build a playoff team around these guys, which means spending some money or trade these guys and rebuild for 14 or 15 with youth. I'm not sure you can do both at the same time.
    Pick one or the other, imo.

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    Open Competition In Spring for SS

    Don't trade for a SS. Someone must step up between Florimon, Dozier, Escobar and even Nishioka (very good last two weeks of season at Rochester - raising his average from .245 to .258). So, don't waste any of our resources on a veteran - The Twins need soemone in their system to step in and do the job.

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    Think Andrus will be dealt to ARIZ for Justin Upton, but if not I go after him hard!!!
    His play alone will improve the pitching. Center the deal around Hicks/Arcia as MN has shown what they think of those 2 this Sept and they have the OF depth.
    If not, Im all for taking a flyer on Stephen Drew & hope his ankle is healed.
    If they go with a combo of Dozier, Florimon, Escobar etc.....another 90 loss season is ahead of them.

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    I know they may not all be consistent, but I think there is enough offense to be competitive. If the Twins don't spend most of their funds on pitching, they aren't going to compete. That's why my point is that if they can get a good deal on a SS, great. But the focus has to be on the pitching. Like others have said, give these other guys a chance to step up!

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    Last 10 years, here are the SS that either played the most or played down the stretch for each WS winning team:

    2011: Rafael Furcal
    2010: Juan Uribe
    2009: Derek Jeter
    2008: Jimmy Rollins
    2007: Julio Lugo
    2006: David Eckstein
    2005: Juan Uribe
    2004: Orlando Cabrera
    2003: Alex Gonzalez
    2002: David Eckstein

    The take-away? Obviously, get Juan Uribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Swanson View Post
    Last 10 years, here are the SS that either played the most or played down the stretch for each WS winning team:

    2011: Rafael Furcal
    2010: Juan Uribe
    2009: Derek Jeter
    2008: Jimmy Rollins
    2007: Julio Lugo
    2006: David Eckstein
    2005: Juan Uribe
    2004: Orlando Cabrera
    2003: Alex Gonzalez
    2002: David Eckstein

    The take-away? Obviously, get Juan Uribe.
    I don't know, I like this Eckstein kid you mention. He's a gamer who battles his tail off and knows how to win.

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    If the Twins are going to competitive next year and actually sign an arm of two that will be around for at least three seasons, yes, explore something for the 2B/SS/3B position. You can hope that Plouffe bats an acceptable .240 with 20 homers and a few more rbis. You would like some speed eitehr at 2B/SS, as Alexi has shown, but a bit more in the BA department, as well as the ability to over runners around. Dozier hasn't impressed in the field. Florimon not much better. Carroll is the parfect utility guy. But if the Twins aren't competitive, then don't purchase any starters yet. Give guys more of a look. Have a payroll of $70 million and lots of empty seats to go with your announced attendance of 25,000 a game.

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    biggest gripe on Dozier was his age coming into the season.
    Florimon is 6 months older than Dozier and when MN sent him thru waivers this spring to clear him off the 40 man.....not a single other team was interested.
    THAT is the player I want goin into the future.

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