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    Samuel Deduno

    Hopefully the Twins braintust leave Samuel Deduno alone and don't try to get him to "pitch to contact". It is nice to see some movement on the ball. The one thing that confused me about his start tonight was why our All Star catcher was absent from the game?

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    Mauer has had very few days off recently, and Gardy said that he was going to give him a day off on the road trip. The movement gives all the catchers that has been catching him trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin617 View Post
    Hopefully the Twins braintust leave Samuel Deduno alone and don't try to get him to "pitch to contact". It is nice to see some movement on the ball. The one thing that confused me about his start tonight was why our All Star catcher was absent from the game?
    Because he's played every game since June 22nd?

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    So how many has he caught? Games played is not the same as games caught.

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    I don't get it.

    Deduno has lowered his ERA to 2.48... he Threw 6 shutout innins... Only allowing 2 hits both to AGon. Record stands at 3 and 0 and he came out of nowhere. Who is this guy? Great looking spinner and hitters are clearly struggling with it.

    This thread should be full of Deduno discussion... You know... Can he be useful... Looking good so far Type discussion. Will he pitch for us in 2013 discussion. Will he get a handle on his fastball type discussion.

    Yet... The discussion point is going to be a why did Mauer sit in this Shutout win at Fenway?

    Absent of discussion this far... I'll just say that I look forward to Deduno's next start.

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    I like DeDuno's results thus far, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    The guy has 20 BB and 19k in 29 IP. That is a recipe for disaster.

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    I guess he has that "effectively wild" thing going for him. Teams will start being more patient and making him pay for those walks eventually if he can't show better control. He has major league stuff but not major league command(yet).

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    With that many walks - we'll never have to worry about him pitching to contact . Seriously - Deduno is having a nice run, but it's probably best to lower expectations to stop gap guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    I like DeDuno's results thus far, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    The guy has 20 BB and 19k in 29 IP. That is a recipe for disaster.
    As I just posted in the game thread, give Gardy, Andy and Ryan credit for giving him a shot and sticking with him. Sam's approach to the game is antithetical to everything they stand for. With his magician-like escape artist techniques from ever-impending BBs and 3-2 pitch count disasters, if he continues this unlikely success, perhaps he could eventually adopt "The Great Deduno" moniker.... did everyone catch his sheer expressions of joy and relief on his final out? Fun stuff.
    Last edited by jokin; 08-03-2012 at 12:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    I like DeDuno's results thus far, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    The guy has 20 BB and 19k in 29 IP. That is a recipe for disaster.
    I agree but I'm going to try to be glass half full guy. What if he lowered that walk total?

    His breaking pitches are legit. If starts locating his heater and cuts his walk total and brings his pitch count down. It will compliment his nasty spinner. He could mix it up.

    Of course that's like saying if Ben Revere just hit the ball longer he could be a power hitter.

    Stranger things have happened on the mound. If he finds that release point on his fast ball like he seems to have found with his curve. It could be like a light switch.

    Im going to try to be optimistic. I eagerly await his next start. I'll have my Beer and Popcorn ready,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    I agree but I'm going to try to be glass half full guy. What if he lowered that walk total?

    His breaking pitches are legit. If starts locating his heater and cuts his walk total and brings his pitch count down. It will compliment his nasty spinner. He could mix it up.

    Of course that's like saying if Ben Revere just hit the ball longer he could be a power hitter.

    Stranger things have happened on the mound. If he finds that release point on his fast ball like he seems to have found with his curve. It could be like a light switch.

    Im going to try to be optimistic. I eagerly await his next start. I'll have my Beer and Popcorn ready,
    Lot of ifs in there, but I'm pulling for him too, in a strange sort of way. His very presence at age 29 and the results he is achieving out there defies the basic expectations demanded by the Twins braintrust and frankly, basic common sense, as well.

    And did you notice that Ben Revere is hitting a tad more deeply to the gaps, on occasion, during this 16 game hit streak? More fun stuff after a nice win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Lot of ifs in there, but I'm pulling for him too, in a strange sort of way. His very presence at age 29 and the results he is achieving out there defies the basic expectations demanded by the Twins braintrust and frankly, basic common sense, as well.

    And did you notice that Ben Revere is hitting a tad more deeply to the gaps, on occasion, during this 16 game hit streak? More fun stuff after a nice win.
    Ben hit .517 with 10 dingers in his senior HS year. He's got a little pop in his bat. Parmelee hit .407 and 11 dingers. I'm guessing Parmelee hit his longer tho.

    Back to Deduno... Some Players just need a chance. That's about the only positive about Pavano and Baker going on the DL or basically every starter imploding. More pitchers get a chance to show something and sometimes they do.

    If Baker was healthy... Pavano... Marquis.... Liriano... Blackburn... If they would have been healthy average pitchers this year. We may not have gotten to see Diamond or Deduno. Still a question mark on if they keep it up but they are making the most of the chance they have been given thus far.

    A couple of feel good stories so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheherezade View Post
    Because he's played every game since June 22nd?

    He looked lousy in the White Sox series. Especially that last at bat he had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    I agree but I'm going to try to be glass half full guy. What if he lowered that walk total?

    His breaking pitches are legit. If starts locating his heater and cuts his walk total and brings his pitch count down. It will compliment his nasty spinner. He could mix it up.

    Of course that's like saying if Ben Revere just hit the ball longer he could be a power hitter.

    Stranger things have happened on the mound. If he finds that release point on his fast ball like he seems to have found with his curve. It could be like a light switch.

    Im going to try to be optimistic. I eagerly await his next start. I'll have my Beer and Popcorn ready,
    There are a few pitchers that took a little while at the major league level to control their fastball. Just a little better control and maybe he will get the close call. Thank you for being a half stein full guy while posting here.

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    I am as half full as they come, DeDuno has been a nice story thus far, I am just not ready to count on him to contribute until he fixes his walks issue.

    Guys that have less then a 1:1 K/BB ratio just don't succeed at the big league level. His GB% isn't great and his FIP and XFIP show that he is due for some serious regression to the mean at some point. If he can limit his walks he could potentially become a back end of the rotation type guy, but until then I just don't see it happening long term.

    I do like the fact he strikes people out though, that is a nice refresher from the majority of pitchers we see on the big league club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Ben hit .517 with 10 dingers in his senior HS year. He's got a little pop in his bat. Parmelee hit .407 and 11 dingers. I'm guessing Parmelee hit his longer tho.

    Back to Deduno... Some Players just need a chance. That's about the only positive about Pavano and Baker going on the DL or basically every starter imploding. More pitchers get a chance to show something and sometimes they do.

    If Baker was healthy... Pavano... Marquis.... Liriano... Blackburn... If they would have been healthy average pitchers this year. We may not have gotten to see Diamond or Deduno. Still a question mark on if they keep it up but they are making the most of the chance they have been given thus far.

    A couple of feel good stories so far.
    I know it's over-optimistic-night, but those 10 Revere dingers in HS are intriguing....Ben Revere has a strong football background, as well, starring in high school (supposedly averaged 3 TDs/game his senior year) and genetic lineage with both his grandfather and father playing and coaching the sport at Eastern Kentucky University. Is there a chance he might develop a more powerful football physique of a body that might yet yield more power to his batting stroke? Remember when Kirby Puckett first came up and went homerless early on in his career, we know how that turned out. I know they aren't the same player, but they are both high contact rate free swingers and a hard-working kid like Revere could easily work some off-season strength training into his workout routine. Here's hoping.
    Last edited by jokin; 08-03-2012 at 01:28 AM.

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    Getting back to Deduno, here is a link to his lifetime stats. Yes, he has always given up a lot of walks and his WHIP has never been great. But he seems to have always been hard to hit.

    Maybe being in the big leagues will inspire him to make the transition from good to great.

    Diamond and Plouffe, and now Deduno. These are three players who could turn out to be very valuable.

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    I love those minor league stats: 780 IP, 39 HR, 81 hit batsmen.

    More and more I like this guy.

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    I can't see Deduno sticking without lowering that walk rate quite a bit but the guy is still hilarious to watch every fifth day. Hopefully he'll be able to maintain his success while also learning to throw more strikes. Not a lot more, just enough to cut get his BB per 9 in the 3-ish range.

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    If the rotation doesn't work out, he could be an intresting guy in the pen. Have him just focus on 2 pitches and hopefully that would help his walks.

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