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    Senior Member All-Star Shane Wahl's Avatar
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    Nice article, bleh on the comments . . . good god.

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    Senior Member All-Star Winston Smith's Avatar
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    A couple wins we can get back into this thing! Isn't that the goal to be in the thing? Or is the goal to field a team that has a chance to win a playoff series or two?
    We are now well over a year and a half of being the worst team in the AL record wise. It is time to admit that we lack talent and the players we have are not doing the job (manager and coaches are without fault). But if you want to keep telling yourself they are only a couple wins away, good luck next year and beyond!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    IMO what killed them more than anything else was getting nothing but garbage for Santana, how nice would it have been if we would have taken any of the other rumored packages out there? We should have gotten at least one very good major leaguer (all-star) and one or two others that eventually would contribute.

    All we got were a 4th OF, a AAAA pitcher (humber) and a couple AAA relief pitchers. Ouch.
    Man, is that true. I don't know why it keeps happening, but the Twins will trade a star player for a bunch of average prospects, somehow thinking that a large number of place fillers equals a difference maker. It's like saying ten phone books equals one great novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    Santana and Liriano both came to the Twins in trades, which you can give the scouts credit for, but they were major league ready when the Twins got them.

    Neither had pitched above A ball when the Twins acquired them. Without looking, they may not have pitched above Low A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    The whole reason they got Santana in the rule 5 draft is because the team that gave him up didn't think he was major league ready. He had only pitched as high as low A ball when they got him and he was 20 years old. The Twins did amazing with their development of Santana.
    A little gem from Wikipedia:

    "In 2002, the Twins sent Santana to the minors for 2 months to work almost exclusively on perfecting his changeup. He did this for 10 starts and came back up to the majors with a terrific changeup to complement his very good fastball. While in the minors, pitching coach Bobby Cuellar made Santana throw at least one changeup to every batter. According to Cuellar, Santana would sometimes throw 20 in a row during games."

    Bobby Cuellar, y'all! Give him a pitcher that's willing to learn, and watch what happens.

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    Back to the trades

    Sanchez-Turner

    Sanchez has more value than Liriano so it is good that he is off the market this early. Turner is a great return for them. His lower k rate this year may be some concern but he is 21. Sanchez may not be a rental and by acquiring him now the Tigers will not need to forfeit a pick as they would had they signed him as a free agent.

    Dempster-Delgado

    As a rental, Dempster has more value than Liriano. It is also good that he is off the market. Delgado is a good prospect. He ranks similarly to the better prospects traded last summer like White and Wheeler, but comes with major league experience.

    Ichiro for salary relief. I guess we might expect similar in a Morneau trade freeing up dollars to spend in the winter.

    It does help set the market for Liriano. Hamels and a Garza are still out there and they should bring more. The Twins might be able to swing a trade for a package that the Cubs or Phillies turned down for that pair. At least Liriano is getting closer to the best option for a starting pitcher.

    It is not reasonable to expect a return similar to the returns we saw yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
    The bottom line is the Twins haven't done well at delveloping pitchers and position players over the last decade. Hell if they would have they wouldn't have to give 2 year deals to 38 year old infielders or have a rotation with a bunch of no-name AAAA scrubs.
    You nailed it!

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    Hey, Twins did manage to grab Eric Hurley, former Ranger and Angel, as a a free agent signee.

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