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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    I would be disappointed in the return for Liriano if all they got was Randall Delgado.
    I haven't seen the kid pitch, but he's 22 with a career k/9 in the minors of 9.47 with a career BB/9 of 3.42. Those peripherals are pretty nice, even though they haven't translated to the big leagues... That seems like some pretty nice cost controlled upside. Woudl we be able to draft better with a compensation pick, because this seems like a pretty nice pickup for the Cubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I haven't seen the kid pitch, but he's 22 with a career k/9 in the minors of 9.47 with a career BB/9 of 3.42. Those peripherals are pretty nice, even though they haven't translated to the big leagues... That seems like some pretty nice cost controlled upside. Woudl we be able to draft better with a compensation pick, because this seems like a pretty nice pickup for the Cubs.
    And all that minor league success came at A ball or lower levels. Since reaching AA he's had less success than Liam Hendricks.

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    Don't kill the massager

    Quote Originally Posted by jlovren View Post
    I am not sure but it seems that he throwing a lot more sliders since May. Hmmmm.... more sliders means better pitching. Oh and massages kill grandmas.
    Sorry, had to say it. So hard to find a good masseuse these days. They're all looking for sex!

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    Don't kill the massager

    Quote Originally Posted by jlovren View Post
    I am not sure but it seems that he throwing a lot more sliders since May. Hmmmm.... more sliders means better pitching. Oh and massages kill grandmas.
    Don't kill the massager. Sorry, had to say it. So hard to find a good masseuse these days. They're all looking for sex!

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    10 years of supp. pick by the Twins, 2000-2009 track record is not good!
    Aaron Heilman (didn't sign), Matt Fox, Jay Ranville, Hank Sanchez, Shooter Hunt and Matt Bashore.
    Zero for 6 may be one reason our talent is lacking.
    Better be sure Frankie is worth 12+ mill not sure the pick is worth much.

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    and his success has hardly been bad... granted, he was a bit better in the lower minors, to be expected, but he still struk out 8.44/9 in 21 starts at AA and had 10.3/9 in 4 starts in AAA that same year. The ERA wasn't quite there, and his AAA numbers are definitely in SSS territory given that he's had 5 starts there in his career. His HR/9 rate has gone up at each level though his major league line is not that far off from his minor league career line. And he's 22. Most pitchers experience some bumps when they come up. I guess I don't see why this is a bad prospect. Could the Twins find better with a supplemental pick in the first round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    I would be disappointed in the return for Liriano if all they got was Randall Delgado.
    Really? Wow. Not me.

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    Delgado was #46 prospect this season and #35 last season according to the BA. If the Twins get a 22 year old MLB-ready SP top 50 prospect for Liriano, it would not be bad at all...
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    A Sanchez (plus Infante) fetched, Turner a top 20 prospect.

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    I would have been really happy with Delgado for Liriano.

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    So far, I'm pretty surprised by what teams are willing to give up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    I will be very disappointed if Minnesota doesn't keep Liriano.
    I will be very disappointed if Minnesota keep Liriano. Time to rebuild, he is the big trade chip and there is nothing stopping the Twins from signing him back in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
    On the other hand, Butera caught Liriano last season and both were awful. In Liriano's best season, Mauer primarily caught him.

    Let's not start dishing off credit to undeserving players. Liriano is pitching better because he's throwing harder, not because he has a different catcher.
    Don't say that, we can package Butera along with Frankie and get a top prospect in return.

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    that sound you hear is the window of opportunity for trading liriano for anything decent closing. 2.2 IP 7ER and 3HR doesn't inspire confidence in any buyer.

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    Hopefully this didn't cost us a Delgado/Turner type prospect. Unload him before anyone recognizes the real Frankie again.

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    The way Liriano pitched tonight i would say he wants to remain a Twin.

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    So much for that throwing harder theory. His location is way more key to his success, when's he got his two seamer running low and away it sets up his slider, the rest is gravy.

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    Groan! The way Frankie's outing went last night, no one will want him. He'll be gone anyway but it would have been sooooo nice to get something for him. UGH!

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    I think people are overreacting a little bit to one bad start. GMs don't make any decisions on the basis of one outing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    I think people are overreacting a little bit to one bad start. GMs don't make any decisions on the basis of one outing.
    I concur, he gave up the 3 big shots and wasn't locating well to say the least but it wasn't like he had no clue where the strike zone was, unlike earlier in the year. I think he remains interesting considering the needs of some teams and who is still out there.

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