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    Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
    Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

    The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.
    Oh, come on. You had to know I was joking there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
    Oh, come on. You had to know I was joking there.
    You're not the same RP I used to know...you've changed.

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    3/5 of an out....awesome sarcasm. Awesome.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    3/5 of an out....awesome sarcasm. Awesome.
    Correct. In Gardy world, the 9th inning outs are the most important, and games lost in April don't count.

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    How much do outs count for on Thursday or Sunday getaway days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    How much do outs count for on Thursday or Sunday getaway days?
    Double, which is why you only play people who are half as good at baseball on those days.

    Otherwise it's unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
    Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

    The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.
    Look on the bright side. Capps on a 1 year contract at $4.75 is a lot more palatable than the 4 year/$50M contract Philly handed out to Papelbon. Now there's a *last place* team that puts proper emphasis on the last 3 outs!!

    Also, as a quick aside, how do you pronounce Matt Capps' middle name, Dicus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mini_tb View Post
    Also, as a quick aside, how do you pronounce Matt Capps' middle name, Dicus?
    Do you really want anybody here to answer that question?

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    The Twins should take whatever they can get for Capps or even just look for a salary dump without any C level prospect - I'd be fine with that. They're paying this "proven closer" ~$80000 per out at this point. What a complete waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
    Given the Twins current bullpen, Capps is expendable. There is no reason not to trade him and get what you can for the guy. Hopefully some teams really need a "closer" (gags a little).
    Well it might more likely be that teams with closers might see Capps has a good setup man (fairly true).

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    The key point seems to be that a last place team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer. Also, the best possible outcome will be for Capps to come back strong, so that some other team will make a good offer for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
    Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

    The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.
    What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

    1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

    I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

    I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.
    Well said, Chief. I would add that a few extra losses in 2012 might result in a better draft position in 2013.

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    Why don't you just forfeit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

    1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

    I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.
    If Duensing goes back to the pen where he belongs, the Twins pen is fine. They have four quality arms in the pen: Burnett, Burton, Duensing, Perkins. That's plenty. Of course, the more the merrier but it's not as if Capps is holding down the pen.

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    Even if no one else does, I get the 3/5 joke...congratulations on finding humor in our forefathers mistake.

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    For some reason the Twins feel they need to have the "Closer" position solidified, whether it is a good decision or not. Everybody new that the Twins chances this year were pretty slim, yet they decided to resign him anyways. While trading him would now, especially when he has been pitching fairly well, would make the most sense, I don't believe sense will play into the team's decision. If Capps is not moved before the deadline, it is a guarantee the team will pick up his option for next year.

    Glenn Perkins does not need to be the closer, they need to continue to put him in the high leverage middle inning situations. He excels there. Locking him into a fixed situation where the pressure level fluctuates does not seem to suit him. Does anybody remember Matt Guerrer? Same thing for him.

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    And the Twins do have arms in the minors that still need a major league look (Slama if he can get healthy). Guerra should be next in line. And, yes...you don't need a first-line closer if you aren't winning games. You can develop one.......

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    The Twins like a good closer because management realizes that itís a psychological blow to the whole team every time they lose in the 9th inning. Can you say 'Ron Davis'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glunn View Post
    The key point seems to be that any team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer.
    I edited your post for clarity. I hope you don't mind.

    "Closers" are nonsense in their current iteration. In many cases, guys like Perkins and Burton are more valuable than a ninth inning specialist. Since the advent of the "ninth inning closer", baseball teams are winning the exact same percentage of games they lead heading into the ninth that they were before La Russa created the Eckersley monster.

    And if teams aren't winning a higher percentage of games they're winning leading into the ninth, why would anyone pay big money to a ninth inning specialist?

    A "Bullpen Ace", on the other hand... That's an idea I can get behind.

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