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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    I think an innings limit for Gibson next year would be a good plan.
    Last Twins starter that had TJ surgery was Francisco Liriano. He threw a combined 199.2IP in that first year back after 18 months or so of rehab & his arm was sound. Liriano problems have been command, not arm.
    Will be interesting if the do the same with Gibson & possibly Baker or take what I percieve as the wimp way out as Washington is

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Why would it be good to have him in Rochester next year? He was ready this year, probably, pre-injury. Now he'll do rehab for almost half a year. Why wait another year, if he's ready?
    I'm not sure he was "ready." His peripherals looked great but the results did not match up. I'm not one to buy this as "unlucky" as much as I am that he still needed to work on a few things before the results start showing up in the stats. Now you have a major injury that essentially takes him out for a year adn typically takes another half season or so to develop. As such, I'd let him work those kinks out in Rochester... certainly if he's dominating you can rethink the issue, but expecting him to contribute in Minnesota come next year is not wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
    Last Twins starter that had TJ surgery was Francisco Liriano. He threw a combined 199.2IP in that first year back after 18 months or so of rehab & his arm was sound. Liriano problems have been command, not arm.
    Will be interesting if the do the same with Gibson & possibly Baker or take what I percieve as the wimp way out as Washington is

    Do you really think the Nationals will shut down Strasburg in the midst of a pennant race? I'll believe it when I see it. Every time I have heard Strasburg himself questioned about an innings limit this year he has responded that no one has spoken to him about it. In the long run it would probably be better for him, but that is sometimes a difficult decision to make. What is best for the long term development of the player vs what the team needs in the game today, tomorrow and the rest of the season.

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    only cause they did the same with Jordan Zimmerman, tho it wasnt in a pennant race
    They pitched him 70.2 combined IP in 2010 & 160 in 2011. Dont believe it has to be so cut & dry but depending on how the circumstances are with the pitcher (performance, how seasons goin, is he tiring)
    Strasburg did 44.1 combined IP in his first year back last season....both had ACL surgeries about the same time of the yr (aug/sept) as Gibson.
    Again MNs history was to go fullbore with Liriano when he was back...we'll see next yr I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I'm not sure he was "ready." His peripherals looked great but the results did not match up. I'm not one to buy this as "unlucky" as much as I am that he still needed to work on a few things before the results start showing up in the stats. Now you have a major injury that essentially takes him out for a year adn typically takes another half season or so to develop. As such, I'd let him work those kinks out in Rochester... certainly if he's dominating you can rethink the issue, but expecting him to contribute in Minnesota come next year is not wise.
    I think he was injured before he completely blew out his elbow and that probably explains the poor results. He had been shut down at one point IIRC. Here are his splits in 2011

    April - 3.15 ERA - 26% K rate - 5% BB rate
    May - 3.86 ERA - 26% K rate - 5% BB rate
    June - 5.17 ERA - 18% K rate - 9% BB rate
    July - 11 ERA - 11% K rate - 11% BB rate

    He was ready imo. Hopefully he can get back to that point and be a May/June callup next year.

    One other complaint in this thread - Why does Joe Mays name get brought up? Yes, he had TJ but he was awful before TJ. He's not an example of someone that didn't recover from TJ. He's somebody that wasn't as good as Blackburn that came crashing back to earth and TJ was blamed for his crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    I think he was injured before he completely blew out his elbow and that probably explains the poor results. He had been shut down at one point IIRC. Here are his splits in 2011

    April - 3.15 ERA - 26% K rate - 5% BB rate
    May - 3.86 ERA - 26% K rate - 5% BB rate
    June - 5.17 ERA - 18% K rate - 9% BB rate
    July - 11 ERA - 11% K rate - 11% BB rate

    He was ready imo. Hopefully he can get back to that point and be a May/June callup next year.

    One other complaint in this thread - Why does Joe Mays name get brought up? Yes, he had TJ but he was awful before TJ. He's not an example of someone that didn't recover from TJ. He's somebody that wasn't as good as Blackburn that came crashing back to earth and TJ was blamed for his crash.
    Mays was a one yr wonder (one yr..01.. was All Star yr tho) so I wouldnt degrade him that much, but he had really lost his stuff the 2 full yrs before the surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
    Mays was a one yr wonder (one yr..01.. was All Star yr tho) so I wouldnt degrade him that much, but he had really lost his stuff the 2 full yrs before the surgery
    Joe Mays before surgery
    4.37 ERA
    5.56
    3.17
    5.38
    6.30
    surgery

    He was bad before his one good year and he was bad after. He shouldn't even be mentioned as someone that didn't make it back from TJ.

    Neither should Liriano. He came back from TJ surgery with his man weight. Does anybody remember/have the picture in spring training? The problem was that his man weight was 20-30 lbs of baby fat because he sat around eating Ho-hos instead of doing rehab. I really wish I had that photo. It pretty much explains my dislike for Liriano and it's not a surprise that he is absolutely awful at the beginning of every season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minn55441 View Post
    Do you really think the Nationals will shut down Strasburg in the midst of a pennant race? I'll believe it when I see it. Every time I have heard Strasburg himself questioned about an innings limit this year he has responded that no one has spoken to him about it. In the long run it would probably be better for him, but that is sometimes a difficult decision to make. What is best for the long term development of the player vs what the team needs in the game today, tomorrow and the rest of the season.
    All indications are that they will, IP is a weird thing to judge by, they should have a "pitch limit" if I were the Nationals I would find a reason to DL him for a couple weeks, then give him extra rest between starts(skip when they can). If I were them I would give him 11 more starts this season with capping the majority at 5 or 6 IP. Then you at least leave a few starts left for the playoffs if need be.

    Would be interesting if it came down to the playoffs if they would stick him in the pen (if he was right on that IP limit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    Joe Mays before surgery
    4.37 ERA
    5.56
    3.17
    5.38
    6.30
    surgery

    He was bad before his one good year and he was bad after. He shouldn't even be mentioned as someone that didn't make it back from TJ.

    Neither should Liriano. He came back from TJ surgery with his man weight. Does anybody remember/have the picture in spring training? The problem was that his man weight was 20-30 lbs of baby fat because he sat around eating Ho-hos instead of doing rehab. I really wish I had that photo. It pretty much explains my dislike for Liriano and it's not a surprise that he is absolutely awful at the beginning of every season.
    I am agrreing with ya that Mays was horrible the 2 yrs before/after his all star yr....so he just got back to his bad yrs after TJ surgery.
    Liriano was excellent in his first yr back. His first 3 MN starts were horrible, but after rehabbing in ROC, his numbers after his recall were his best in his MN yrs.
    11 starts 6w 1L 65.2IP 59h .236BAA 2.74ERA 60k 19bb
    This was his best yr with the Twins since TJ surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
    I am agrreing with ya that Mays was horrible the 2 yrs before/after his all star yr....so he just got back to his bad yrs after TJ surgery.
    Liriano was excellent in his first yr back. His first 3 MN starts were horrible, but after rehabbing in ROC, his numbers after his recall were his best in his MN yrs.
    11 starts 6w 1L 65.2IP 59h .236BAA 2.74ERA 60k 19bb
    This was his best yr with the Twins since TJ surgery
    Further evidence that Liriano isn't a great example of a pitcher that struggled because of TJ?

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    So the point of this thread is that Gibson (and Baker IMO) contributing next year isn't out of the question.

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    July 18

    Gibson allows double/single to first 2 batters in GCL Rehab start.

    then 4 straight ground outs, a soft liner to SS and another ground out.

    2IP 2H/2R

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    Further evidence that Liriano isn't a great example of a pitcher that struggled because of TJ?
    Liriano's struggles have 100% been due to command ......not the TJ surgery.

    Terry Ryan said Gibson may have 1 (today) or 2 more GCL outings before heading to Ft Myers. He also debunked my thought that Gibson could earn a Sept callup to get himself more innings......thought was right tho as they will send him to instructional league to get more Sept innings & if all goes well, the AFL in Oct to get him around 75 IP he hopes.

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    Gibson maybe being able to make the starting rotation next year after coming off a severe arm surgery is just like making a trade.

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    My prediction for next spring is Gibson goes to ROC for a month & after that he's the first one recalled.
    Blackburn, due only to money, is the 5th starter---team will say he's throwing like he did 3 yrs ago---but will get bludgeoned again by mid/late May & we see Gibson around June 1.....give or take. It will allow the team to monitor his innings in AAA & not create a panic if he has a bad outing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
    My prediction for next spring is Gibson goes to ROC for a month & after that he's the first one recalled.
    Blackburn, due only to money, is the 5th starter---team will say he's throwing like he did 3 yrs ago---but will get bludgeoned again by mid/late May & we see Gibson around June 1.....give or take. It will allow the team to monitor his innings in AAA & not create a panic if he has a bad outing.
    This. And its the right way to handle the situation. Because of the contract Blackburn will get one more chance and Gibson does need to have his innings monitored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edavis0308 View Post
    Gibson maybe being able to make the starting rotation next year after coming off a severe arm surgery is just like making a trade.
    This is the dumbest comment I have heard in a while. That is just a cheap team's excuse for not signing someone when they bring someone up through the system to plug a hole. The Twins are no longer a small market team and need to quit pretending so they can make the leap back to actually contending again in the future.

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    Before calling someone's comment dumb, you should probably read their posts more closely to see if they're being snarky or not.

    I'm about 109% sure that edavis was joking with that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edavis0308 View Post
    Gibson maybe being able to make the starting rotation next year after coming off a severe arm surgery is just like making a trade.
    You beat me to it.

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    I don't think that the Twins would start the season with Gibson in the rotation. I do think that he will be close to ready and could still be the first to be promoted.

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