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    Transaction: DeVries & Hendriks

    As per Twins website, Cole DeVries has been recalled from Rochester and Liam Hendriks has been optioned back to Triple-A.

    As if it makes any difference.

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    I thought a guy had to remain in the minors for a length of time before they could be called back up. Is this an exception with that new 26th man for double headers rule?

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    I'm sure it does to them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    I thought a guy had to remain in the minors for a length of time before they could be called back up. Is this an exception with that new 26th man for double headers rule?
    Yeah, it basically "doesn't count" as a call-up the way I understand it.

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    Yes, the 10-day rule did not apply to the 26th man needed for a doubeheader. The option of sending DeVries downs works because he would've just sat around on the bench here. When he starts, we have t see. There is also a big difference, right now, between the two pitchers. DeVries is working his tail off in every start to succeed and try to stay here and prove the pundits wrong that he is nothing more than an end-of-the-bench bullpen guy. Liam has all the talent in the world, but doesn't seem to know that you have to labor a bit and adapt, especially when going thru the lineup, and working with "professional" umpires. I applaud DeVries. Like Diamond, he is attempting to make the most of the opportunity given him. If he stays in the majors, we will see one of abseball's ahrdest working pitchers the next three seasons.

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    I was hoping Hendriks would be a 4th/5th starter....but he just hasn't been able to do it this year, yet. Hopefully sometime this year, or next....
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Still hope for Hendriks. Hopefully they will keep him down until September even if he continues to pitch well in AAA.

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    Hendriks has to stop being afraid of letting the ball get hit - I noticed last night when he faced the front part of the lineup, especially the 2nd & 3rd time through, he was afraid to put it into the strike zone. Problem is, if you throw it where the batter can't reach it, it's a ball. In AAA maybe the batters will chase those pitches, but not in MLB.

    He is still young and has decent upside. He'll never be the starter on opening day, but he can develop into a back-of-the-rotation guy.

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    while Hendriks was struggling in the 5th, It also seemed like the ump, at least on the Gameday screen, weren't giving Hendriks much in the way of a break when it came to the strike zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    There is also a big difference, right now, between the two pitchers. DeVries is working his tail off in every start to succeed and try to stay here and prove the pundits wrong that he is nothing more than an end-of-the-bench bullpen guy. Liam has all the talent in the world, but doesn't seem to know that you have to labor a bit and adapt, especially when going thru the lineup, and working with "professional" umpires.
    Do you seriously believe that? That he may not know he has to try hard and adapt? If yes...wow. If no...I apologize for missing the sarcasm or whatever it was.

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    I'm not too worried about Hendriks (but I never had a terribly high opinion of him in the first place). He's pitching scared and trying to Greg Maddux the plate instead of throwing strikes. That works if you're Greg Maddux. Not so much if you're Liam Hendriks, rookie pitcher.

    He's still only 23. There's nothing wrong with giving him more time in AAA to sort himself out.

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    On his KFAN show this morning, PA hinted this was in the works, immediately after his talk with Rick Anderson.

    If this is what it seems on its surface, then I'm a little worked up about it. I saw gradual improvement from Hendriks, which is what made his fifth inning last night so disappointing - it looked like he turned the corner up until then. He's also been the victim a few times of staying in an inning too long and defense that wasn't quite good enough. Plus, Hendriks is 5 times the prospect DeVries is and a much better bet to be an asset this year. And what exactly does he have left to prove in AAA?

    The only think I can figure is that something happened behind the scenes to make the organization think that either Hendriks wasn't ready or needed a kick to the butt or to regain some confidence. Maybe something after he was pulled just short of getting his first win. I have no insided information that is the case, but I don't understand this move otherwise.

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    Hendricks does not even trust his own stuff off the Bat. All he is right now, is a Minor League Soft Tosser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    On his KFAN show this morning, PA hinted this was in the works, immediately after his talk with Rick Anderson.

    If this is what it seems on its surface, then I'm a little worked up about it. I saw gradual improvement from Hendriks, which is what made his fifth inning last night so disappointing - it looked like he turned the corner up until then. He's also been the victim a few times of staying in an inning too long and defense that wasn't quite good enough. Plus, Hendriks is 5 times the prospect DeVries is and a much better bet to be an asset this year. And what exactly does he have left to prove in AAA?

    The only think I can figure is that something happened behind the scenes to make the organization think that either Hendriks wasn't ready or needed a kick to the butt or to regain some confidence. Maybe something after he was pulled just short of getting his first win. I have no insided information that is the case, but I don't understand this move otherwise.
    I wonder if this had more to do with Cole De Vries earning a shot than it did Liam Hendriks failing to produce. I think we see Hendriks right back up here if Blackburn continues to pitch batting practice (which I think he will). As you said, it also could have something to do with not wanting Hendriks to start getting frustrated at not finding his first MLB win. Put him back down in AAA and let him build up some confidence in his stuff again.

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    Here is why this is fair and makes sense:

    - each of these guys make 4 times as much when they are in the bigs vs when they are in AAA
    - Cole De Vries has been pitching better than Liam Hendriks with the Twins

    he deserves to make more money than Liam Hendriks

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    On his KFAN show this morning, PA hinted this was in the works, immediately after his talk with Rick Anderson.

    If this is what it seems on its surface, then I'm a little worked up about it. I saw gradual improvement from Hendriks, which is what made his fifth inning last night so disappointing - it looked like he turned the corner up until then. He's also been the victim a few times of staying in an inning too long and defense that wasn't quite good enough. Plus, Hendriks is 5 times the prospect DeVries is and a much better bet to be an asset this year. And what exactly does he have left to prove in AAA?

    The only think I can figure is that something happened behind the scenes to make the organization think that either Hendriks wasn't ready or needed a kick to the butt or to regain some confidence. Maybe something after he was pulled just short of getting his first win. I have no insided information that is the case, but I don't understand this move otherwise.
    Hendriks has been very bad. Not just bad but lacking confidence and looking spooked.

    I get that he's a better prospect than De Vries, but to me it really doesn't matter which one is up and which one is down. Go with the hot hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    On his KFAN show this morning, PA hinted this was in the works, immediately after his talk with Rick Anderson.

    If this is what it seems on its surface, then I'm a little worked up about it. I saw gradual improvement from Hendriks, which is what made his fifth inning last night so disappointing - it looked like he turned the corner up until then. He's also been the victim a few times of staying in an inning too long and defense that wasn't quite good enough. Plus, Hendriks is 5 times the prospect DeVries is and a much better bet to be an asset this year. And what exactly does he have left to prove in AAA?

    The only think I can figure is that something happened behind the scenes to make the organization think that either Hendriks wasn't ready or needed a kick to the butt or to regain some confidence. Maybe something after he was pulled just short of getting his first win. I have no insided information that is the case, but I don't understand this move otherwise.
    He had 3 good innings yesterday - 1,2,4. The 3rd inning, though, was the same as the 5th - throwing scared to the top of the order. He managed to get out of it with only a run scored in the 3rd, but it was still ugly to watch. The 5th it finally bit him. He was not going to win the game - he was on the verge of losing it, and I'm glad they pulled him when they did.

    I think this may be a case of trying to bridge the gap between Triple-A and MLB. You're right, he has nothing left to prove in Triple-A. At the same time, he has shown that he is not quite ready for MLB. I guess the question is where best to continue to prepare or improve. In MLB, like Dozier, or in Rochester, where there isn't quite so much scrutiny and he can concentrate more on pitch location. From what I hear he is an intelligent young man and understands the theory and art of pitching (mixing up his pitches, setting up batters, finding their weak spots, etc). He just may need a touch more work on the mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbknudson View Post
    In MLB, like Dozier, or in Rochester, where there isn't quite so much scrutiny and he can concentrate more on pitch location.
    Well, good thing we're all being consistent here. Thought we sucked and it didn't matter? Let 'em work it out? No?

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    I don't like it. Hendriks is a much, much better pitcher than De Vries. Granted, you wouldn't know it by their latest respective starts, but I don't think there's much to be gained here. Hendriks has shown his mastery of Triple-A hitters, why not just let him take some lumps and hopefully try to turn things around?

    I presume there's something specific he's being sent down to work on, as John hinted.

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