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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Or, it could indicate xFIP really doesn't tell you much of anything useful.
    Yep, xFIP is useless, seeing as Blackburn outperformed it regularly, proving it was not a fluke, and his terrible peripherals never eventually caught up to him.

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    As Usual, Thrylos is spot on.

    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    The problem I have with this train of thought is that there is an engrained assumption that Blackburn was a "good" pitcher. And this is based on IP, which is not a performance metric, but a manager's choice metric.

    In 2009, Blackburn had a worse than average 1.366 WHIP and a worse than average 4.3 K/9. He was worse than the average pitcher in his best season. Because the Twins unwisely offered him a contract extension based on "whatever they saw" or "their gut", instead of the numbers, does not make him "good", or even average. So "fixing him" would equate to bringing up the equivalent of Cole DeVries or Sam Deduno to pitch. The latter is an easier fix.
    As usual, Thrylos is spot on. Blackburn has NEVER been a good pitcher. The only way the Twins can get back into contention for a division title next year in a VERY mediocre division is to go out and get 2 solid starting pitchers. And in baseball today, starting pitchers cost MONEY. A LOT of it!! It's time for the Pohlads to pony up about $17-$18 million per pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrodaddyG View Post
    Yep, xFIP is useless, seeing as Blackburn outperformed it regularly, proving it was not a fluke, and his terrible peripherals never eventually caught up to him.
    Let's see...during the time he was decent, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just lucky.

    During the time he sucked, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just unlucky.

    Useful "stat" that, useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGunn#22 View Post
    It's time for the Pohlads to pony up about $17-$18 million per pitcher.
    You should not hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

    I wish that the Pohlads would sell the team to someone who will spend more of the profit to get better players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    The problem I have with this train of thought is that there is an engrained assumption that Blackburn was a "good" pitcher. And this is based on IP, which is not a performance metric, but a manager's choice metric.
    I really don't think Parker is hinting at Blackburn being a good pitcher with this piece. The only underlying thought present is that Blackburn was more effective in 2009 and that's obvious. The changes show why he has regressed in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Let's see...during the time he was decent, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just lucky.

    During the time he sucked, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just unlucky.

    Useful "stat" that, useful.
    At least you're getting better at illustrating where and how your lack of understanding and ability to interpret are rooted.

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    I think everyone hating on Blackburn from a couple of years ago should check to make sure they aren't projecting Diamond as anything more than a bottom of the rotation innings eater.

    Right now Blackburn sucks. You can survive in this league without a high K rate but you better have a tiny BB rate. It was worth giving him a few shots this year because the Twins don't have anything in the rotation. He still looks awful so it's time to pull the plug and banish him. Bullpen first and possibly even DFA later on.

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    Bert said on a radio show that Blackburn is overthrowing the ball. Plenty of video out there, plenty of knowledgeable people out there watching, yet the mechanics go unfixed. Perhaps the pitching staff needs a psychotherapist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Let's see...during the time he was decent, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just lucky.

    During the time he sucked, xFIP told us he wasn't. Just unlucky.

    Useful "stat" that, useful.
    Some things never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    Bert said on a radio show that Blackburn is overthrowing the ball. Plenty of video out there, plenty of knowledgeable people out there watching, yet the mechanics go unfixed. Perhaps the pitching staff needs a psychotherapist.
    Or maybe their eyeballs were injured and the Twins medical staff got to them.

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    Of course he can be fixed. But like most dogs that are not worth keeping it's just better to have them put down...

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