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    Article: Change of Scenery is Great for Pirates Garrett Jones


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    Good for him. Play a few more years get vested in the pension, make a few million bucks playing baseball will set up the rest of his life for him if he's isn't stupid.

    Another item, Seth what's going on with Wmmers?

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    I expect he will get offered a 3 year $12-15 million contract...not bad for a guy who was blocked in Twins organization for years and as first commenter said--if he plays another year and a half--he gets fully vested in MLB pension plan.

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    You sometimes fine life with a struggling team. Although not a great player, he is a great piece in the overall structure of the Pirates 25-man roster. He was that 26th/27th player on the Twins team that needed a new home and ... a chance.

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    Still, seeing as he was clearly blocked at the majors by players of similar age and still long under team control, you would like to see your team make a decision and try to recoup some value at a point in time when a player still has some. The Twins always said they didn't want to sell the future, but guys like Jones and Michael Restovich clearly had little chance at a future seeing as they were blocked. Selling high on them during a powerful and productive minor league season should have been considered.

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    But "Selling high" on a 27 year old with only a couple dozen big league games and mediocre AAA success doesn't get much (if anything) in return.

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    This doesn't help readers. Garrett Jones is a medicore player at best. A great player!? 1st OPS is a highly overrated state that doesn't taken into account fielding and grossly overestimates slugging percentage while barely taking into account OBP. Besides that his guys OPS isn't that great anyway. Now let's really look at his stats -
    1. Garrett Jones is a platoon player. In his full season in 2010 he was horrible against Left Handed pitching. Since then he doesn't play against lefties hence why he doesn't play all the time. He can't hit left handed pitching at all. Right there he isn't a full time player.
    2. Garrett Jones can't field 1st base or any position. In 2011 at 1st base his UZR was -13.2. He cost over 13 runs at a position that is considered one of the easiest in the game. This year he is at -14.1. Truly end of the World type stats. In 2010 his UZR was -8.4. Garrett Jones can't field.
    3. Garrett Jones can't really hit. Garrett Jones has 5 BB this year. Garrett Jones WAR in 2011 was .9. In 2010 it was .2 In 2009 it was 2.8 (OK that's decent)! This year it's basically zero. Basically Garrett Jones can't hit. He has on OBP in 2012 of 273 and in 2011 it was 321 and iin 2010 it was 306. In his one good year it was 372 in limited time in 2009. His decent WAR year. Garrett Jones occasional hits a home run but that's what guys that play 1B are supposed to do. His overall numbers are pathetic and he is limited as a situational player that really needs to play DH. Maybe he will get a minimum deal next year to DH off the bench for an AL team.
    As for the Twins losing him, you can find a guy like him on most AAA ballclubs. If a club wants him he would be marginally effect against right handed hitters if he didn't have to field. A good bench bat.

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    What doesn't help readers? And, who said he was 'great?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanS7921 View Post
    1st OPS is a highly overrated state that doesn't taken into account fielding and grossly overestimates slugging percentage while barely taking into account OBP.
    OPS may break down at the extremes for individual players (low obp/high slg, or high obp/low slg), but in general it holds its own against the more complex run estimators out there.

    Here's an article that takes a good look at it. It's not perfect, but it serves its purpose.

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