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    Article: The Right Field Mess


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    I love Willingham, but he seems only marginally effective in left field. Does he have enough arm and speed to be adequate in right field?

    Why not move Span into right field and let Revere play center? It seems to me that Revere gets to more balls than Span, and that Span has a strong enough arm to get some assists playing right field. Of course, as you have noted, Revere needs to get on base more, or go back to Rochester. But why not have the fastest outfielder in center field?

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    Don't excuse Gardenhire for that, John. That was a huge mistake. Willingham should have been able to handle RF, an easier position at Target Field. It was a ridiculous decision.

    But what do I know? I am the guy who wanted to throw a few million at Andruw Jones or Cody Ross or Bobby Abreu or Ty Wigginton or . . .

    Left field is bigger than right field at the place the Twins play half of there games at. This Willingham thing caused a change reaction at the same time Morneau's situation caused a chain reaction and the Twins took the worst path possible. Sign Clete Thomas instead of moving Willingham over? What?

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    This is the reason the Twins should have resigned Kubel. I think it's about time Mastroianni gets sent back down or cut. He's a AAAA player who doesn't bring much to the clubhouse. Last night must have been his first start in 2 weeks because I don't remember him being a part of the 5 out of 6 "hot streak". We have enough poor outfielders as is with Plouffe and Komatsu. Since Komatsu is doing the best and has the most future potential, the others better be on thin ice.

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    I think this may speak to the lack of leadership from the veterans. It should be obvious to everyone on the team that the best scenario for the Twins is to move Josh Willingham or Denard Span to right so the best hitting option in the outfield grab bag, Ben Revere, can play. Michael Cuddyer volunteered to play which ever postion would most benefit the team. Despite Gold Gloves in six of the past seven years, Kirby Puckett was fine with moving to right field in the middle of 1993. I think Span and Willingham need to be held to some degree of blame as both have been reluctant to move although it would be in the best interest of the rest of the club.

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    Moving span makes sense if you are not trading him. If you are trading him, keep him in center. Not moving Willingham I the spring was a mistake. Now? Plouffe should play every day.

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    We signed 2 free agent bats--Doumit and Willingham--unfortunately neither can play defense. Our only good defensive option in RF is Span. Our only good defensive option in LF is Revere. To me the answer is to play Revere in LF and Span in CF and Willingham in RF....until we bring up Benson and make Willingham a DH.

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    Wilkin Ramirez

    Would it be out of the realm of hope to consider Wilkin Ramirez. With a .343/.363/.586 line he has to warrant a shot at some point. He would have to be added to the 40 man roster but he seems to be a legitimate option to handle right field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glunn View Post
    I love Willingham, but he seems only marginally effective in left field. Does he have enough arm and speed to be adequate in right field?

    Why not move Span into right field and let Revere play center? It seems to me that Revere gets to more balls than Span, and that Span has a strong enough arm to get some assists playing right field. Of course, as you have noted, Revere needs to get on base more, or go back to Rochester. But why not have the fastest outfielder in center field?
    If the Twins had a chance at competing, this would be the correct answer.

    However, I get the feeling that they want Span to play center because moving him to a lesser defensive position may decrease his trade value a bit.

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    I think they should just let Revere play right for now. RF is large in target field and Willingham's arm isn't great either AND he's really slow. At least Revere has the range. I think the Twins should let Revere get 400 AB up here and see what they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texastwinsfan View Post
    Would it be out of the realm of hope to consider Wilkin Ramirez. With a .343/.363/.586 line he has to warrant a shot at some point. He would have to be added to the 40 man roster but he seems to be a legitimate option to handle right field.
    I would have mentioned Ramirez as well because he's my adopt-a-prospect, but I think you have to focus solely on his triple A line. It's a .314/.314/.400 and has been on the decline recently. He's 1 for his last 9 and has really only played 8 games at AAA this season. He's been striking out at a very high rate as well. Ramirez could definitely be in the Twins plans, but they need to give him some more time to correct a few flaws.

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    ginnarthor, LF is bigger than RF in Target Field.

    To me, Ramirez should have been considered higher on the depth chart than Mastroianni, so we will see if they swap them in the next few weeks.

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    To Plouffe: by the day you turn 26, you better have your (expletive deleted) together (close to .700 OPS by that time, for instance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanewahl View Post
    ginnarthor, LF is bigger than RF in Target Field.

    To me, Ramirez should have been considered higher on the depth chart than Mastroianni, so we will see if they swap them in the next few weeks.
    He probably is and would have been if he was back and playing yet when Mastroianni was called up. Mastroianni was playing really well when they had a need. Now he's hardly playing so sending him down makes sense.

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    Depending on Swarzak and what the Twins wish to do with Blackburn, they ight have to swap out Mastro for another pitcher.

    But, yes, Willingham should be in right field, although the sun hitting him out there deadens his profile for all the fans! Or Span, who has major value ONLY as a centerfielder, so you hate to pull THAT plug too soon. Revere can play right, but then you have TWO dead arms playing the wrong spots in the outfield.

    We complain about Revere's on-base. Yes, he can take a few more pitches and a lot more walks. He needs to learn who to bunt. He can run and I am excited everytime he gets on base and I want the Twins, in the midst of a dismal season, request Revere to steal everytime he makes it to first and almost everytime he makes it to second. Let's make this guy Mr. Pressure. It amps up the game. The question is where do ou bat him in the order and who do you put immediately behind him to best use his stealing abilities.

    But don't complain about on-base when the other three candidates are batting, what.......192. You can bury a dead bat somewhere (third base) in one position, but not two. And give Revere the chance, please.

    But then the question is, amisdt all the Span talk, who actually will come up and take the vacant outfield spot and how dismal MIGHT they be while given the chance (Benson).

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    The problem isn't where you play Willingham and/or Revere. The problem is the Twins are short one everyday outfielder, unless you think Revere can hit enough to play every day for a good team, which is at the least unknown, at the worst very unlikely.

    There might be some small defensive benefit to playing Revere in left and Willingham in right, primarily due to Revere's weak arm, but other than that, the idea that somehow Revere's speed makes a huge difference in LF but not in RF is nonsense. Corner OF defense just isn't that difficult or important to worry much about anyway.

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    The idea of moving the starting outfielders around makes sense if Revere is considered a regular. I don't think he has proved that. With Parmelee out of the mix, Willingham can probably be used as a DH more and Revere can play more LF. I suspect Span will be on the market this summer. If he is moved, Revere is probably the regular CF.

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    W, s, r

    I'd go with Willingham in RF, Span in CF, and Revere in LF. Sure, they need an all-around OF, as to whom that would be...? I'd like to see what Revere can do. Stick with Plouffe at 3B.

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    Not that it matters, but Span should move to right with Revere in center. Its a somewhat interesting conversation but the fact remains is this is by far the worst roster in the majors and Gardy doesn't have a ton of options. Maybe the front office will decide to get off its hands and blow this thing up rather than act like they are Jason Marquis away from contending. Until then you could play a traffic cone in right and the team wouldn't be that much better or worse.

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    As we armchair GM this thing, you gotta start with "here's where we are now" not "here's what we should have done in the offseason to avoid being here." The decisions, when they were made, weren't all bad - if Willingham would have played RF and let Revere play LF, if Parmelee would have hit, if Clete Thomas or Komatsu or Mastroianni or Plouffe or Doumit would have found a home, this wouldn't be a topic of conversation. None of that happened, and here's where we are now. My first choice would be to move Span to RF and put Revere in CF everyday right now. I appreciate the comments about putting Span in the best position to showcase his skills, but there isn't a GM in baseball who doesn't know that Span can play center. They might even think that the Twins are under-utilizing his skillset in right, and that makes him more valuable to another team who thinks that he'll do even better if placed back in his "natural" position. Plan B - Willingham goes to RF, Revere to LF. I know Ben's not getting on base all that much, but he adds a spark to this team that no one else on the roster touches, and anyone who undervalues outfield defense is missing both the momentum swings that happen with great defensive plays, and, in most cases, were also bemoaning watching Delmon play there the past few years (and, frankly, forgive me for saying, but Willingham hasn't looked much better than Delmon ever did).

    Point being, we gotta do something different. We can maximize defense and keep the same guys in the lineup and start letting them settle in - I like the lineup of Span RF, Dozier SS, Mauer C, Willingham LF, Morneau 1B, Doumit DH, Plouffe 3B, Carroll/Casilla 2b and Revere CF, with all the options available if we only have 1 backup outfielder (Komatsu?), plus Butera, Carroll/Casilla, and 1 more bench player (hoping its Valencia once he turns things around in AAA platooning with Plouffe).

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