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    Head Moderator All-Star glunn's Avatar
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    PJ Walters stuff

    It looked to me tonight that he has decent stuff. But some would argue that once MLB players figure him out, he will be very hittable. How would you rate his potential?

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    He is a legit candidate for the 5th spot.

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    Who cares? He is tbe best we got. Ride him into the ground!

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    I tend to think it won't last, but he certainly has performed well enough to garner a regular spot in the rotation. We won't really have a solid bead on how well he'll do until he's got several more starts under his belt, but he's started off well, and that's half the battle.

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    Can I split the diffrence? He seems more like a #4 to me. He could be better than the #5 guy who is often a swing man but being a # 3 would mean he's one of the best 42 pitchers in the AL and I don't quite see that.

    Edit: I voted for fifth starter, but maybe being a top 40 pitcher in the AL isn't that far fetched when you stop and think about the guys filling out some of those rotations. Considering the laughable staffs in the AL Central, a case could be made for Walters and Diamond to be top 10 pitchers in the division so far this year. How Derek Lowe has six wins and a 2.15 ERA when he has a 2.3 K/9 and 1.415 WHIP is a question for the ages.
    Last edited by nicksaviking; 05-23-2012 at 08:25 AM.

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    I'm going to abstain until I see him face a team for the second time. That will be the real test, same with Diamond

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    The only question mark is whether Walters can continue to execute the way he is now. There is nothing to say a team is going to all of a sudden start hitting him all over the yard just because they have seen him before. I don't see anything that indicates Walters tips his pitches so as long as he maintains his command, keeps mixing his pitches and effectively changing speeds, why can't he continue to have success? Isn't that what all good pitchers do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    The only question mark is whether Walters can continue to execute the way he is now. There is nothing to say a team is going to all of a sudden start hitting him all over the yard just because they have seen him before. I don't see anything that indicates Walters tips his pitches so as long as he maintains his command, keeps mixing his pitches and effectively changing speeds, why can't he continue to have success? Isn't that what all good pitchers do?
    It has nothing to do with tipping pitches and more to do with teams actually getting tape on a guy as well as seeing his pitches again in person. I like what Walters has done, but his overall lack of minor league success and lack of "stuff" has me a little wary of calling him a legit starting pitcher. The good news for him is he will hold down the spot for sometime, so we should have a better understanding of his potential over the course of his next 15 starts or so.

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    I saw the last half of the game. This was the first time I've seen him. From what I saw, a nice running FB with a change that looks like his FB and a nice little slider/curve thing, his stuff is as good as Greg Maddux stuff. His command, in what I saw, made the game for him. I'm guessing the level of command he demonstrated is not the norm for him. Maybe it was just his night. Or maybe that's the new norm for him. If it is the new norm for him I think he can expect a career like Maddux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    If it is the new norm for him I think he can expect a career like Maddux.
    .........................sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    .........................sigh
    Went right over your head, didn't it dude?

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    Towards the end of the game he was leaving a lot of pitches up and missing his spots frequently. He may have been just gassed, but the White Sox did not have a very good approach last night.

    It looked to me like he was very lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Went right over your head, didn't it dude?
    Well if it was sarcasm it wasn't funny in the least, but to each his own, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Well if it was sarcasm it wasn't funny in the least, but to each his own, dude.
    I thought it was pretty funny.

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    Man... I can't believe how many "Debbie Downers" there are out there... You guys can find a gray cloud in any blue sky... Quit finding fault or possible faults with the guy and just enjoy the ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    It has nothing to do with tipping pitches and more to do with teams actually getting tape on a guy as well as seeing his pitches again in person. I like what Walters has done, but his overall lack of minor league success and lack of "stuff" has me a little wary of calling him a legit starting pitcher. The good news for him is he will hold down the spot for sometime, so we should have a better understanding of his potential over the course of his next 15 starts or so.
    If he keeps command of his pitches like he has then you can have as much tape as you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmarais66 View Post
    Man... I can't believe how many "Debbie Downers" there are out there... You guys can find a gray cloud in any blue sky... Quit finding fault or possible faults with the guy and just enjoy the ride...
    +1.....the game threads from last night cracked me up, it was 9-1 and Walters was cruising yet there were still things a few guys needed to wring their hands about. It's like guys are afraid to cheer for him lest they look like idiots if he falters, who cares, he's playing great, I for one love it.

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    the difference between Walters & Blackburn is that Walters is able to strike out hitters at a decent clip thru his minor league career & brief major league (counting St L) career. This can get ya out of a jam easier obviously....and Im fine with him as long as he earns it. Nick has earned nothing for 3 straight years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmarais66 View Post
    Man... I can't believe how many "Debbie Downers" there are out there... You guys can find a gray cloud in any blue sky... Quit finding fault or possible faults with the guy and just enjoy the ride...
    I apologize for raining on your parade, but the thread and the poll within asked for my opinion.

    From what I've seen from Walters, and based on his minor league track record, he looks like another Anthony Swarzak to me. A marginal starter or long reliever. I don't think the Twins should cut him, but I'm expecting the AL to catch up to him quickly.

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    We have to remember that Diamond and Walters are true 4-5 starters, most likely. Thus, they have value, but just because they come in and are the Twins' new best pitchers doesn't mean they are 1-3 guys.

    That said, I like the confidence and demeanor both of them display on the mound. For what that's worth.

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