07-10-2014, 04:26 PM #21
Top player for Cincinatti Reds
*Matt Kemp hit .306 his year in FSL with 27 HR and 90 RBI.
Arguably one of the Top players in MLB before injuries
*Marcell Ozuna hit .266 his year in FSL with 24 HR and 95 RBI.
Now starts with Marlins after playing in FSL in 2012
*Javier Baez hit .274 his year in FSL with 17 HR and 57 RBI (half season)
Top 5 prospect in all of minor league baseball.
Kennys Vargas hit .267 las year in FSL with 19 HR and 93 RBI
Now everyone is in love with him (rightfully so) because he was hitting over .300 this year and producing at the same pace.
Low batting averages do not neccesarily mean poor production, but it does mean poor contact. These guys are all successful because they produced results in their careers, not just average. If you are judging based on the success of a Matt Kemp then you are being unrealistic, because every prospect can't be considered amongst the best to play the game. Most are hoping to be solid (good) MLB players.
07-10-2014, 05:10 PM #22
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07-10-2014, 06:09 PM #23
As far as Walker is concerned, he is 22. Here is what some other Twins' position players either did or are doing at Fort Myers this and last season (with their ages in () :
Michael (23) : .322/.379/.432
DJ Hicks (23) : .270/.364/.405
Vargas (22) : .267/.344/.468
Rosario (21) : .329/.377/.527
Harrison (21) : .279/.349/.378
Sano (20) : .330/.424/.655
Polanco (20): .291/.362/.415
HR, contact and pitch selectivity, the above list is a good reason why Walker should not be considered a Twins' top 10-15 prospect... If he get his contact rate up higher a bit and his OBP up higher, that might be a different story. But sub .300 OBP is not a good sign.
07-10-2014, 06:13 PM #24
EDIT. Here they are, along with their age in the FSL, to tell a complete story:
Votto .330 OBP age 21
Kemp .349 OBP age 20
Ozuna .328 OBP age 21
Baez .338 OBP age 20
Vargas .344 OBP age 22
Walker .298 OBP age 22.
HUGE difference, in both OBP and age
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07-10-2014, 06:18 PM #25
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Here's another way of looking at it- here are the top 3 HR hitters in the FSL from 2004-2010
2004: Brandon Sing, Delwyn Young, Raul Tablado
2005: Andrew Wilson, Matt Kemp, Garth McKinney
2006: Jay Garthwaite, Brock Peterson, Jesus Flores
2007: Jacob Butler, Sergio Pedroza, Allen Craig
2008: Ryan Strieby, Brian Dopirak, Jeramy Laster
2009: Brahaim Maldonado, Caleb Gindl, Chris Parmelee tied with Kirk Nieuwenhuis
2010: Mike McDade, Melky Mesa, Quincy Latimore
Of those 21 players, 2 turned into MLB regulars, so about 10%. Both- Kemp and Craig - hit over .300. All the others "produced" in the FSL and yet did nothing in the Majors.
07-10-2014, 08:04 PM #26
My question is if he continues to do what he is doing at every level like he has shown to consistently do [Rookie - A & A+]:
1) Lead his league in HRs and either 1st or amongst the top in RBI
2) Score more than everyone on his team (Runs) and amongst the leaders of the league
3) Yet have a low OBP and moderate BA
Why do his teammates (1 thru 9) with higher the OBP have fewer RBI and Runs scored when they are in fact on base more?
How has that resulted in more wins for the MLB Twins who sit at 13th in the MLB in OBP category?
To your point:
Maldanado .348 OBP;
Gindl .363 OBP;
Nieuwenhuis .357 OBP;
McDade .315 OBP;
Mesa .338 OBP;
Latimore .323 OBP;
These individuals all had a decent OBP in addition to having great power and should have been high prospects for their respective organizations. Sometimes it's about feeling and not the projectables. Nobody said he was Kemp or Craig (not many are). We'll leave that for the Sano's and Buxtons. I'll pray for a Khris Davis (rookie leftfielder for Brewers) - .305 OBP / .252 BA with his 14 HR and 47 RBI at the All Star Break. Brewers have 52 wins and have the best record in NL.
07-10-2014, 08:56 PM #27
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07-10-2014, 09:16 PM #28
I think that you can find plenty of examples of folks who fared well in the FSL and failed in the big leagues. You can find plenty for those who didn't fare well in the FSL and succeeded in the big leagues too.
Let's tone down the personal sniping and remember that these are our opinions. NOT FACT.
07-10-2014, 11:49 PM #29
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The Sam Deduno of the hitters. Very divided opinions. I'm rooting for him. It is not only chicks that dig the long ball. Walker fits in well with today's hitters. Lower batting average with power. Seems like a good fit for Toronto.
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07-11-2014, 08:18 PM #31
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He has the power tool and fielding tool but man he strikes out a lot. His lack of improvement in that area continues to be a big red flag.
But boy he seems like a good guy. Hope he can improve.
07-12-2014, 12:30 AM #32
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I'll take a .220ba with 25 big flys, and a duck hunter any day
07-12-2014, 01:45 AM #33
Below is an interview with Ft. Myers Miracle manager Doug Mientkiewicz. He speaks on Buxton; Polanco; Adam Brett Walker; and Berrios. I think many a blogger would find his & organizational comments interesting on Walker. [Click link below and find Monday July 7th interview "The Ride with Reuesse" (Hour 1) - you might have to scroll to middle of interview to find Dougs comments]
TRex found this interview
Ruesse had an interview with Dougie Baseball on Monday in which Dougie (in TK form) was very complimentary of Adam Walker. He thinks his power will play at higher levels, and also noted Walker's knack for driving in runs, especially in key situations (actually said that Walker's homers aren't when the team is ahead by 7 runs, etc.).
07-12-2014, 06:24 AM #34
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In an earlier post someone said he is hitting around .400 with bases loaded and very well with runners in scoring position is key. It might mean that when he concentrates he can be very succesful. It may also mean that when he bats in a non-high reward situation he has a much more cavalier attitude. This should be something that is coachable.
07-12-2014, 08:23 AM #35
07-12-2014, 10:41 AM #36
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It is easy to root for Walker but the contact issues are a huge concern. When you add in plate discipline issues as well, it is hard to see him as a top prospect, yet. When you compare him to say Arcia, Arcia is struggling with contact issues in the majors, yet was able to hit for average at every level as well as show comparable power to Walker.
I hope Walker figures some things out, but I feel that Adam Dunn type players are somewhat overrated. Their production generally comes in bunches, with long stretches of time where they not only almost worthless offensively but are often a drag on the team if they have no defensive value or aren't walking much.
I suspect there is some hope for Walker because he is considered a good athlete rather than just a bat, like several other prospects in the Twins system. I am also sure he will get opportunities, he certainly has a high ceiling.
07-12-2014, 10:29 PM #37
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07-13-2014, 07:36 AM #38
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Walker has to mature as a hitter, IMHO. This might mean that he is a guy who can be pitched to, but who pounds "mistake pitches". If he can turn a bunch of mistakes into long balls, he can be successful at any level. The other piece in the puzzle is to be more selective, without losing too much aggressiveness. It's tough to thread the needle, but some hitters can and do succeed despite high K numbers.
Also, it helps that Walker has good speed, and a good arm. He should develop into an above-average outfielder who can steal a few bags in addition to having plus-plus power.
07-13-2014, 10:28 AM #39
What is the rationale for getting on base at a lesser rate than most (low OBP), but scoring more than most in the league? This again has been a pattern yearly and not a lucky phenomenon.
if he were able to repeat this improbable series of performances like he has throughout the minors thus far, (.250 BA - .300 OBP - 150 Ks - 90+ Runs - 30+ HRs - 110+ RBI) at the MLB level, would you want him in the Twins lineup? Just YES or NO and why?
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07-13-2014, 11:58 AM #40