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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    Go ahead. Ask away.
    I'd be curious, without needing specifics mind you, to hear how similar things are behind the curtain as what we saw unveiled from Houston.

    But I'd totally understand if that was a taboo thing to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    Wait, that really happened?
    I stopped drinking heavily after that episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    Go ahead. Ask away.
    1) Billy Beane commented in an article that (and I'm paraphrasing) teams would move away from valuing a player in isolation and rather start focusing on how a player A makes player B better. Is that something you and/or the Twins have been working on? I've always thought the Twins did something like that b/c, as bad as his 2010 season was, Nick Blackburn still managed to have a quality start in well over half his starts. (You can absolutely win a beer on that bit of trivia) And that had to dependent on his teammates.

    2) How many in your department are into LARP? Gotta be at least half, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I'd be curious, without needing specifics mind you, to hear how similar things are behind the curtain as what we saw unveiled from Houston.

    But I'd totally understand if that was a taboo thing to talk about.
    Trades are difficult to put together for a lot of reasons and there is usually a lot of back and forth.
    It sucks what happened to them and I'm glad we weren't mentioned in anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    1) Billy Beane commented in an article that (and I'm paraphrasing) teams would move away from valuing a player in isolation and rather start focusing on how a player A makes player B better. Is that something you and/or the Twins have been working on? I've always thought the Twins did something like that b/c, as bad as his 2010 season was, Nick Blackburn still managed to have a quality start in well over half his starts. (You can absolutely win a beer on that bit of trivia) And that had to dependent on his teammates.



    2) How many in your department are into LARP? Gotta be at least half, right?
    I would think many teams try as best they can currently. Platooning is probably an example of that. The new system might just make it easier and more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    Wait, that really happened?
    Yes, and we still laugh about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glunn View Post
    Your accidental ban of Jack (on the assumption that it was an impersonator) remains one of the funniest things to happen in the history of the world.
    I thought that was really funny. What kind of dumb ass member of a front office jumps into a discussion board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    I thought that was really funny. What kind of dumb ass member of a front office jumps into a discussion board?
    Reminds me of this.

    http://youtu.be/AAB858elJOw
    Mystery creates wonder, and wonder is the basis of man's desire to understand. - N. Armstrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    And maintain those XML downward plane propagations.
    The data really has to come out of his hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    The data really has to come out of his hand.
    Googgles required.

    ... but need a bigger boat.





    Last edited by LaBombo; 07-09-2014 at 08:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Wait, that's exactly what a clever impersonator would say. Delete button in three, two, one...
    He's really Kevin Spacey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    Isn't that what interns are for?
    So the impersonator is????????

    Bill Clinton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    Go ahead. Ask away.
    I'd like to remind folks, the cheap laughs were mostly before this generous offer.

    / moderatin'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    Trades are difficult to put together for a lot of reasons and there is usually a lot of back and forth.
    It sucks what happened to them and I'm glad we weren't mentioned in anything.
    Thank you, comparing the Twins to Houston was just something impossible not to think about after reading that report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    I'd like to remind folks, the cheap laughs were mostly before this generous offer.

    / moderatin'...
    Quite so.

    Jack, what duties do you have for the All Star Game?
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    Jack, 1) if you were GM of a team, how much weight would you put on the analytics you currently do, versus fundamental scouting reports and other forms of input? 2) Do you ever play Out Of The Park baseball game, and how ridiculously unrealistic is it from your POV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    I stopped drinking heavily after that episode.
    So good or bad outcome?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    Quite so.

    Jack, what duties do you have for the All Star Game?
    ill scout the Futures Game on Sunday and after that spend some time at HR Derby with my dad and go the game with my family on Tues. I haven't watched a game with my family ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Goin View Post
    ill scout the Futures Game on Sunday and after that spend some time at HR Derby with my dad and go the game with my family on Tues. I haven't watched a game with my family ever.
    So for you it really is a field of dreams. Enjoy every minute.
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    Thank you for doing this.

    I heard Nate Silver and Keith Law do a podcast several months ago. One application of metrics Silver suggested had to do with cross checking scouting evaluations. By this he meant evaluating reports of scouts over a set period of time and seeing if they would consistently over- or under-rate talent in their reports and to use analytics to "adjust" their scouting reports accordingly for final reports (but still use the valuable resource of scouts).

    I'm curious if this is something the Twins do? I know there is an infrastructure of scouts (local, area, cross-checker, etc) - but are analytics used to analyze the scouts themselves?
    Papers...business papers.

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