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    I don't understand why hitters don't take advantage of this situation

    As anyone who follows baseball knows, it's been an ongoing trend for a team to shift their infielders in accordance to the hitter's spray chart. The shifts are especially exaggerated for left handed pull hitters. Last night I took this image at Target Field while Adam Dunn was at bat.



    What bugs the crap out of me is this: Why don't these guys learn how to bunt!!!

    I don't know about you, but if I saw a team doing that to me, I would think it would be a huge strategic advantage to be able to lay one down the line and walk to first base safely. Hell, it doesn't even half to be a good bunt. As long as it stays on the left side of the infield, the batter is going to make it to first safely. Then they would stop the shifts and you can go back to mashing the ball to the right side of the field.

    And if I were a manager, to me it would be inexcusable to not try to take advantage of this situation. The defense is basically conceding a hit. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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    It drives me insane. Bunt, damn it. Beat their shift.

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    They think they can beat the shift - and they would rather hit a home run (or strike out trying) than to bunt against a shift.

    It's pride and arrogance and non-sensical unwritten rule following.

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    Statistics state that they probably should bunt occasionally just to keep the teams honest.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/shoul...ers-ever-bunt/

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    A: Pride. These are the same guys that feel "dissed" if they get $1 less than a friend on their multi million dollar deal, that are mad when they are asked to move to another position, or when they are moved in the batting order.

    B: Skill. despite what we might think, it isn't easy to bunt. You want your best, slow footed, hitters practicing bunting, or practicing hitting?
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    What was the context of the at-bat? What inning was it, and what was the score?

    If it's early in the game, bunting only puts Dunn (and his speed) at first base. It also sets up a prime double-play situation. The Sox would still need at least two hits to drive him in, so why not let him swing away?

    If it's late in the game and the score is close, if Dunn successfully bunts he's going to be pinch-run for, which could be a problem if that spot in the lineup comes up again.

    Fairness in conversation - I'm strongly biased against just about every bunt if it's not done by a pitcher.
    Last edited by Boom Boom; 06-20-2014 at 03:34 PM.

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    Unwritten rules require you to eat a fastball for it and then all go wrestle over it at the pitchers mound like 4 year olds.

    So, in other words, no good reason not to.

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    I also suspect, but am not sure, that pitches pitch the hitters to pull by pitching in so it'll be harder to lay a bunt down the 3rd base side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Unwritten rules require you to eat a fastball for it and then all go wrestle over it at the pitchers mound like 4 year olds.

    So, in other words, no good reason not to.
    Constantly proving he doesn't understand the unwritten rules ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Unwritten rules require you to eat a fastball for it and then all go wrestle over it at the pitchers mound like 4 year olds.

    So, in other words, no good reason not to.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    Constantly proving he doesn't understand the unwritten rules ...
    The thread in question indicates your suggestion is actually the reverse.

    You seem to forget someone already ate a pitch for that this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    I also suspect, but am not sure, that pitches pitch the hitters to pull by pitching in so it'll be harder to lay a bunt down the 3rd base side.
    I agree. Also, laying down a bunt on a 95 MPH fastball isn't easy no matter where the location of the pitch. It's not a 100% success rate even for good bunters and for these guys it'd be much less considering the bunt is not part of these players normall repertoir. I've never seen a stat on bunt success rates, but even for the guys you expect to bunt, you see a ton of pop ups and attempts that go foul. If David Ortiz has a .400 OBP and his bunting success rate was .500, would it really be in his best interest to lay it down when the best result is he'll only be standing on 1st?

    I like the novelty of it and wouldn't mind seeing guys try it to keep the defense honest, but I don't know that it would work out as well as we'd assume.
    Last edited by nicksaviking; 06-20-2014 at 03:56 PM.

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    Are we sure Dunn wouldn't still be thrown out if he bunted?
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    If Dunn dropped a bunt down successfully and reached base at a .600 clip from bunting, I still don't think teams would change its approach. Dunn IS dangerous because he has about as much raw power as any one in the game. Even though he strikes out a TON, he also still gets walked a lot. The fear is the long ball and that is the ONLY TOOL he has. If the ChiSox want him bunting when there is a shift, there's no reason he should even be in the lineup. His skill is hitting for power.

    Kubel???? No excuse for it. He can't hit anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siehbiscuit View Post
    If Dunn dropped a bunt down successfully and reached base at a .600 clip from bunting, I still don't think teams would change its approach. Dunn IS dangerous because he has about as much raw power as any one in the game. Even though he strikes out a TON, he also still gets walked a lot. The fear is the long ball and that is the ONLY TOOL he has. If the ChiSox want him bunting when there is a shift, there's no reason he should even be in the lineup. His skill is hitting for power.

    Kubel???? No excuse for it. He can't hit anything!
    Adam Dunn is an exception, as he hits the ball a long way, takes a lot of walks, and is absolute garbage at everything else.

    But lately they're doing shifts for a lot more players...players who have a lot more tools to work with than Adam Dunn.

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    Well, I think the reason player's don't, is that most of the guys who these shifts are done for are guys like Dunn, who's offensive game is built around their power.

    If they take this approach, you literally have eliminated their most dangerous tool from the game, so I would say this plays to your advantage as well.
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    If they don't bunt because of some unwritten rule, where is the unwritten rule that says you shouldn't being doing these exaggerated shifts?

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    I keep remembering Denny Hocking and his slap-bunts. If he can do that, even I could lay down a bunt down third.

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    OK. Got to think context. CONTEXT. Who do they shift like this? Adam Dunn, David Ortiz.

    OK. Let's say they do bunt towards third and it is a good bunt. Then they got to RUN to first base.

    Are you sure that the third baseman (from the SS position) or the pitcher cannot get to the ball and throw to the first baseman before any of those gentlemen reach safe?

    They do not shift fast people...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP BYTO View Post
    If they don't bunt because of some unwritten rule, where is the unwritten rule that says you shouldn't being doing these exaggerated shifts?
    The problem lies with your attempt to make sense of what is essentially toddler logic for problem solving.
    Last edited by TheLeviathan; 06-20-2014 at 07:10 PM.

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