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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Why would anyone be positive about this starting staff at this point? They've been bad and aren't going to get any better with this group as is.
    Except you just had nice things to say about Gibson and the potential young arms....baby steps to positivity...I'll take it. And haven't even reacted yet to Hughes, thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Except you just had nice things to say about Gibson and the potential young arms....baby steps to positivity...I'll take it. And haven't even reacted yet to Hughes, thus far.
    Hughes has been great and Gibson has been much improved. My issues with the pitching staff have been Correia, Pelfrey, and the idea that Nolasco > Garza. Pretty much 3 for 3 on those guys.

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    So, Morales is a good hitter, but not significantly better than the DH options already on the team. In fact, his production last year was worse than what Twins DH's have done to this point in the season. He's not likely to make the Twins a contender, if he makes the team significantly better at all. He also probably blocks Pinto and other young players from needed playing time, which could mean that they're less prepared to play at their potential next season.

    Management made the move anyway, perhaps because Ryan and Gardy are feeling pressure after three losing seasons to show that the team is turning around. Maybe Gardy really wanted another veteran bat. Maybe Ryan felt he could use some good PR to get fans and media buzzing right about now. Anyway, they decided to throw something against the wall. If it doesn't stick, at least people will be pleasantly distracted for awhile.

    Nick essentially admits this, but still we're excited because it signals a shift to "win now" mode? But if the team is likely to win 75 games or less, with or without Morales, why do we want the front office making this sort of splashy but marginal move at the expense of player development? Why is it so good to see Ryan deviate from the long-term plan for no great reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Hughes has been great and Gibson has been much improved. My issues with the pitching staff have been Correia, Pelfrey, and the idea that Nolasco > Garza. Pretty much 3 for 3 on those guys.
    You're due for regression. That rate isn't sustainable, all SSS things considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    You're due for regression. That rate isn't sustainable, all SSS things considered.
    Stupid regression to the mean.....

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    He's also great trade bait. If 15 other team wanted his services now they will want them in 6 weeks too if he plays well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frightwig View Post
    So, Morales is a good hitter, but not significantly better than the DH options already on the team. In fact, his production last year was worse than what Twins DH's have done to this point in the season. He's not likely to make the Twins a contender, if he makes the team significantly better at all. He also probably blocks Pinto and other young players from needed playing time, which could mean that they're less prepared to play at their potential next season.

    Management made the move anyway, perhaps because Ryan and Gardy are feeling pressure after three losing seasons to show that the team is turning around. Maybe Gardy really wanted another veteran bat. Maybe Ryan felt he could use some good PR to get fans and media buzzing right about now. Anyway, they decided to throw something against the wall. If it doesn't stick, at least people will be pleasantly distracted for awhile.

    Nick essentially admits this, but still we're excited because it signals a shift to "win now" mode? But if the team is likely to win 75 games or less, with or without Morales, why do we want the front office making this sort of splashy but marginal move at the expense of player development? Why is it so good to see Ryan deviate from the long-term plan for no great reason?
    Welcome to the Glass Half Empty club. There are plenty of open chairs for us to sit.

    I still see a management mindset that favors veterans at the end of their careers over youth. The Morales signing is ok, at least it's proactive, but there's so much else to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
    I still see a management mindset that favors veterans at the end of their careers over youth. The Morales signing is ok, at least it's proactive, but there's so much else to do.
    What concerns me the most is player evaluation. They throw players out there who just don't have it - Kubel, Correia, etc. - as if they have no ability to discern what the player is currently capable of.

    Of course fans are excited when this haphazard strategy works, e.g., Phil Hughes, but it doesn't seem like a winning formula to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    What concerns me the most is player evaluation. They throw players out there who just don't have it - Kubel, Correia, etc. - as if they have no ability to discern what the player is currently capable of.

    Of course fans are excited when this haphazard strategy works, e.g., Phil Hughes, but it doesn't seem like a winning formula to me.
    To me, it seems like they think they are smarter than everyone else and can bring in guys with questionable track records and turn them into good players. They've been doing this for some time now, and their track record is not good. I would much rather have them spend 15 Million for a guy everyone knows will be good than 5 million each on three question marks like Corriea, Pelfry, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    Super Two deadline is now-ish, right? Meyer and May, get up here. Let's do this. Nobody wants to see Correia vs. the Blue Jays in 2 days...
    amen, brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    If this is a mindset change move, it was served up to them on a silver platter -- how often do you have a fairly young, healthy quality free agent available for nothing but modest cash in June, at the same time that all of your internal options at the same position have struggled mightily over the season's first two months? I'll give them some credit for spending the money -- just like I did after the Nolasco deal -- but all that's basically saying is they're not epically cheap at the moment!

    Although I endorse the Morales signing, if we really want to contend, a better mindset change move might be to avoid a collapse at a position before addressing it.
    Our DH position has actually hit quite well.

    And I don't know what your checking account balance looks like, but I bet the Pohlads don't consider $7,500,000 to be 'modest cash'.
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    7,500,000 sounds like a lot, but based upon a net worth around 2 Billion, it's quite modest. Less than a grand for someone with a net worth of 250k. It's all relative.

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    ^^^frightwig is 100% accurate in his remarks here in my mind, once again smoke blowing by Twins' management, how many of us will swallow all of that nonsense anymore? Can't they please get serious about cobbling together a decent team instead of all of the "window dressing" machinations? It is way beyond tiresome to have to repeatedly suffer through all of this drama all of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    It is way beyond tiresome to have to repeatedly suffer through all of this drama all of the time.
    Funny that, I was just thinking the exact same thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whydidnt View Post
    To me, it seems like they think they are smarter than everyone else and can bring in guys with questionable track records and turn them into good players. They've been doing this for some time now, and their track record is not good. I would much rather have them spend 15 Million for a guy everyone knows will be good than 5 million each on three question marks like Corriea, Pelfry, etc.
    Problem is, you can quite easily spend 15 million and not know the guy will be good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    Funny that, I was just thinking the exact same thing.


    Only not about the Twins.

    This deserves more than just a Like!!! Double thumbs up!!! Twins add a good player and its still bad, bad, bad!!! Enough to make you stop reading the comments - except its almost funny after awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
    Our DH position has actually hit quite well.
    It's the 2014 Twins DH paradox: our overall line is pretty good there, but all of our potential DHs have struggled mightily or are needed at other positions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
    And I don't know what your checking account balance looks like, but I bet the Pohlads don't consider $7,500,000 to be 'modest cash'.
    In MLB terms, $7.5 mil is fairly modest. The Twins just spent $2 million for two months of Jason Kubel hoping he could rebound from a terrible 2013 and a terrible 2014 spring training. $7.5 mil for 4 months of a good, healthy player is a modest outlay by comparison.

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    I think the Twins are bringing in guys with a winning track record; Kubel with the Twins, Morales with the Angels....

    And then just some half-way decent players, Willingham, Corriea; to see if they become decent players who help make the Twins "Pennant Race" capable

    About Meyers/Mays, the Red Wings are in a pennant race, I think it would be wise for the Twins to let them try to win said pennant race, as opposed to bringing them up for a month or so of Major league experience (at least this year)

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    As long as Morales hits, the Twins will be fine. If they tank, they flip him for another Alex Presley and dump the balance on a contender. If they stay competitive, attendance will stay strong. The only way they lose is if Morales lays an egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    It's the 2014 Twins DH paradox: our overall line is pretty good there, but all of our potential DHs have struggled mightily or are needed at other positions.



    In MLB terms, $7.5 mil is fairly modest. The Twins just spent $2 million for two months of Jason Kubel hoping he could rebound from a terrible 2013 and a terrible 2014 spring training. $7.5 mil for 4 months of a good, healthy player is a modest outlay by comparison.
    They paid Pelfrey what will amount to about $1M per start. Jason Marquis make $3.5M to make 8-10 starts one year. One day the Twins will realize it doesn't make sense to pay Felix Hernandez type money on a per start basis for the likes of Jason Marquis and Mike Pelfrey. One can hope anyway.

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