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    Twins New Infield

    With the call-up of Dozier, what are the chances that the Twins start dividing Valencia's playing time with Carroll? And, if Valencia's playing time isn't affected, what does that do to Carroll's playing time?

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    You want a .200 hitting .250 slugging 3B player over there. Wait am I talking about Carroll or Valencia??
    Dont want Carroll over there cept in an emergency. This season is lost & Danny needs to play to see what he's got

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    I think it's more likely that he splits time with Casilla, or that he starts the game at 2b, and then slides over to 3b when they bring casilla in as a late-inning pinch runner.

    What might happen, and might not be a bad plan, is that in a four game stretch Valencia, Dozier, Carroll and Casilla each have one day off, with Carroll filling in for whoever has the day off.

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    Well, who DHs when Doumit is in right field, since it looks like Plouffe will stay on the bench. Why not give Revere a good week or so out there before Morneau returns...but sadly he won't play first and Pamelee will stay up here. Tne Twins suddenly have a lot of role players but few regulars......

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    Quote Originally Posted by spideyo View Post
    I think it's more likely that he splits time with Casilla, or that he starts the game at 2b, and then slides over to 3b when they bring casilla in as a late-inning pinch runner.

    What might happen, and might not be a bad plan, is that in a four game stretch Valencia, Dozier, Carroll and Casilla each have one day off, with Carroll filling in for whoever has the day off.
    Yes, I am thinking that the latter scenario might happen. And maybe against lefties sometimes all of them are in the lineup with Valencia DHing. A rotation like that might be good for all of them, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    Well, who DHs when Doumit is in right field, since it looks like Plouffe will stay on the bench. Why not give Revere a good week or so out there before Morneau returns...but sadly he won't play first and Pamelee will stay up here. Tne Twins suddenly have a lot of role players but few regulars......
    Doumit is going to be catching or DHing almost exclusively now while Morneau is out and Butera is on the roster.

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    During this time I would like to see a RF platoon straight up for Plouffe and Komatsu (since they are committed to playing him for awhile).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanewahl View Post
    Doumit is going to be catching or DHing almost exclusively now while Morneau is out and Butera is on the roster.
    I'd expect Doumit to stay out of RF until they figure out if Eric K is worth anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see him doing some time at 1b. So far we're 1-0 with Butera catching, if he hits like he was in AAA he'll be outhitting half our lineup. Maybe he'll be able to coax some better performances out of our pitchers than Doumit has.

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    I've never played or managed professional baseball, so I honestly don't know the answer to what might be a really stupid question...at this point would there be any advantage (or disadvantage) to setting a lineup and keeping it consistent for a couple weeks?

    I get that we're desperate to figure out a formula that works (though isn't that what spring training was for?) But in the meantime, I don't see these guys developing any rhythm and getting comfortable in their positions or place in the batting order when it's all just a revolving door.

    Things really can't get much worse at this point - what would be the downside of setting a lineup and sticking with it for a while, rather than fielding a different team every night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz View Post
    This season is lost & Danny needs to play to see what he's got
    What you have is a .240 hitter with occasional power that strikes out 10X as many times as he walks and is fundamentally flawed in the field. We don't need to see what he's got, it's a known quantity.
    "Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwinsFan01 View Post
    Things really can't get much worse at this point - what would be the downside of setting a lineup and sticking with it for a while, rather than fielding a different team every night?
    Some guys simply can't hit left-handed pitching. Some guys have trouble with a sinkerball throwing righty. You have to adjust the lineup's strength to the other team's weaknesses (and vice-versa)
    "Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

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    I see Carroll as the guy moving around and filling in at three positions. He has been a utility player for his whole career. Giving the robust stats of the other two guys, Carroll should get plenty of playing time. I was mentally comparing Carroll and Casilla. Carroll gets more walks, has more extended at-bats, and is more prone to move the runner over while Casilla has the higher batting average and just enough power to be played like a normal hitter (it is my pet peeve to see hitters played like little leaguers like they do for Carroll and Revere). Casilla is a good base stealer, Carroll not quite. Offensive edge (barely) to Casilla. Defensively Carroll has made all the plays, and played fundamentally sound at the most important defensive position in the infield. Casilla had one bad game (really one bad inning) in the field, but otherwise has been solid with a few outstanding plays mixed in. Defensive advantage--Carroll. Casilla is 28 in July, Carroll turned 38 this winter--advantage Casilla. I think Casilla get the majority of starts at second, with Carroll reverting to utility or perhaps 10th regular status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post
    Some guys simply can't hit left-handed pitching. Some guys have trouble with a sinkerball throwing righty. You have to adjust the lineup's strength to the other team's weaknesses (and vice-versa)
    That certainly makes sense for a team with some depth and where you have that kind of flexibility. But right now none of our guys can seem to hit anything so I'm not sure it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    I see Carroll as the guy moving around and filling in at three positions. He has been a utility player for his whole career. Giving the robust stats of the other two guys, Carroll should get plenty of playing time. I was mentally comparing Carroll and Casilla. Carroll gets more walks, has more extended at-bats, and is more prone to move the runner over while Casilla has the higher batting average and just enough power to be played like a normal hitter (it is my pet peeve to see hitters played like little leaguers like they do for Carroll and Revere). Casilla is a good base stealer, Carroll not quite. Offensive edge (barely) to Casilla. Defensively Carroll has made all the plays, and played fundamentally sound at the most important defensive position in the infield. Casilla had one bad game (really one bad inning) in the field, but otherwise has been solid with a few outstanding plays mixed in. Defensive advantage--Carroll. Casilla is 28 in July, Carroll turned 38 this winter--advantage Casilla. I think Casilla get the majority of starts at second, with Carroll reverting to utility or perhaps 10th regular status.
    Good take. It's not that I hate Carroll being on this team, I just think they should be bothering with him at such a critical position when we need to start answering questions about our future. Every organization should have glove-only SS's in the Double-A and Triple-A that can handle that part of the game fine, even if they hit around the Mendoza line. I would rather have used the Carroll money on a veteran 3B (as in, better than Burroughs) to push Valencia, then buy a stopgap veteran at shortstop who we all knew CAN'T HIT.

    At least now they'll start looking at guys like Dozier, but I think Valencia is out of here for the first respectable offer they get. Mauer and Morneau, the supposed "leadership" of this team either aren't tough enough mentally or aren't interested in policing guys like Valencia. His attitude would be no issue if he were decent, but the reality is that he sucks. And if you suck AND have a bad attitude on this team, you lose your "scrappiness scholarship" from Gardy and find your way off this team pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post
    What you have is a .240 hitter with occasional power that strikes out 10X as many times as he walks and is fundamentally flawed in the field. We don't need to see what he's got, it's a known quantity.
    I think the belief is that Valencia needs to play everyday because the law of averages says at some point he's going to get hot again which could increase the return on any trade that is in the works for him.

    It's a moot point anyway. Casilla normally would have seen a DL stint or two by now, he's playing on borrowed time. When he goes down there is no need to sweat the infield roster shuffle.

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    My personal opinion is that Dozier plays every day (most days) at SS, and that Carroll plays most days at 2B. Casilla and Carroll can both get some time at 3B too, but Valencia needs to keep playing.

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    Seth, does that mean that the Casilla experiment is over and he won't be with the Twins next year or am I reading too much into your statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    My personal opinion is that Dozier plays every day (most days) at SS, and that Carroll plays most days at 2B. Casilla and Carroll can both get some time at 3B too, but Valencia needs to keep playing.
    Even with the dismissal of both Hughes and Burroughs, I don't see Casilla playing much 3B. If somebody moves over there, it will be either Carroll or (less likely) Plouffe.

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    Yahoo's Twins page had this snippet:
    When asked what he expected moving forward Sunday, Carroll said he was in the dark.
    "I don't know what anything entails. I don't know what I need to be doing," he said. "So I don't have an answer for you."

    I take this to imply he's not totally cool with going back to a fill-in role; this was not a "just happy to be here, anything to help the team" quote. Probably he was given assurances during the free-agent negotiation that SS would be his for the season, and it's not like he's the scapegoat for the whole season starting off bad. He'll go along with it, as he's a good guy, but at this point it stings.
    Last edited by ashburyjohn; 05-07-2012 at 12:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Casilla normally would have seen a DL stint or two by now, he's playing on borrowed time. When he goes down there is no need to sweat the infield roster shuffle.
    You know the season is a month old and a trip to the DL is 15 days, right?

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