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    Article: Twins Playing Over Their Heads, But That's OK


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    I cringe every night I watch Carlos Gomez dominate for the Brewers. I hope I don't have to watch Hicks do this on another team in 5 years.

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    Perhaps in large part the starting pitching staff has a high ERA becuase they have an extremely high BABIP. The Indians starters have a K/9 of 8.8. They also have an ERA of 4.79. Not Twins Territory, but way above league average.

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    It's nice to see them have good fortune and get an undeserved win last night. But I really see them making a run at their Pythagorean record.

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    The pitching can't be worse than last year......I admit to being surprised at just how bad it has been.

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    Wins, losses, bad pitching, bad hitting, etc. It's still there but for some reason I'm much more interested in watching this team. Maybe it's some of the young guys like Pinto, Arcia, Escobar, Dozier that have either established themselves or seem to be on the cusp of establishing themselves. Maybe it's Phil Hughes, I don't know, but I like watching this team so much more than past teams. It also probably has something to do with decent guys at the lower levels ready to come up. If only Buxton and Sano would have stayed healthy we really could be on the cusp of seeing them come up midway to make an impact.

    Either way, this is a much more fun team to watch and I'm hoping management is ready to pull the trigger as needed on demotions/promotions.

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    Not saying the Twins are going to make a run at the playoffs but remember the first year the Orioles returned to relevance, they played way above their Pythagorean record. So hopefully the Twins will continue to play above their Pythagorean record.

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    Its been interesting that someone different has contributed at different times. At the beginning of the season it was Colabello and Kubel, then Dozier and Suzuki, then Santana had moments and Escobar has come out of no where and been hitting. Fuld was great for about a week. and now it time for Arcia and Willingham to join in. That's a lot of hitters who stepped up at various times when needed throughout the season so far. And we've had some clutch pitching performances especially from the bullpen. and lastly we won a lot of one run games so far. So we win the exciting games and loose in blow out fashion so its not as big of a let down = recipe for enjoyable baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    So we win the exciting games and loose in blow out fashion so its not as big of a let down = recipe for enjoyable baseball.
    Really this year, enjoyable baseball was my main hope, however a continued run at .500 would certainly be nice too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdrupp09 View Post
    Really this year, enjoyable baseball was my main hope, however a continued run at .500 would certainly be nice too.
    I could see 75-77 wins. Nolasco will be better, Correa will turn into a 6-9 pitcher that throws 98. May might replace Gibson if he doesn't improve. Hughes may regress a bit but not enough to make up for the things above.

    Our offense is 10th in the AL in runs. That is probably where we end up. You can argue we have an above average hitter at 2B and 3B and at least average at C and 1B. Arcia should prove about average. Escobar may prove to be an average hitting SS (I don't see .350 at the end of the year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wise One View Post
    Perhaps in large part the starting pitching staff has a high ERA becuase they have an extremely high BABIP. The Indians starters have a K/9 of 8.8. They also have an ERA of 4.79. Not Twins Territory, but way above league average.
    Strikeouts are not a guarantee of success. NOT striking out anyone is pretty much a guarantee of NOT having success. Even with a good defense (questionable in this case), if you're letting everyone hit the ball around the yard you're just not going to be effective at limiting runs. (Also, the Twins staff's BABIP is .303, which is not "extremely high" by any means.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post

    Escobar may prove to be an average hitting SS (I don't see .350 at the end of the year).
    That's all right, tobi.....obviously, the guy who should know best, Gardy, didn't forsee Esco hitting .350 at any point this year.

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    Are people finding these games entertaining? I am entertained when Hughes is on the mound and Deduno as well....but the rest of the time I keep feeling like I'm watching the same bad baseball as last year, but that everyone has a 4 leaf clover around their necks.

    I guess I haven't found the brand of baseball this year all that compelling. (Though Dozier is fun to watch and Arcia is a welcome relief to see as well)

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    "NOT striking out anyone is pretty much a guarantee of NOT having success." Mark Buehrle is 9-1 with a 2.33 ERA and 5.2 strike outs per 9. Hughes strikeout rate is lower than his career average but having his best year. Its not just the lack of walks though that is huge. Its that he uses both sides of the plate and has command of where he is throwing it. Pitching to contact isn't bad. Doing it badly is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes929 View Post
    Doing it badly is bad.
    The problem is the margin of error makes "doing it badly" far more likely than doing it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Are people finding these games entertaining? I am entertained when Hughes is on the mound and Deduno as well....but the rest of the time I keep feeling like I'm watching the same bad baseball as last year, but that everyone has a 4 leaf clover around their necks.

    I guess I haven't found the brand of baseball this year all that compelling. (Though Dozier is fun to watch and Arcia is a welcome relief to see as well)
    I don't know about all of "these games"....but.....How could you not be entertained and compelled by last night's game?

    Scott Baker off the scrap heap and back in Target Field, somehow fooling the Twins for 7 innings with little more stuff than magic dust.

    Hughes was busy being Hughes, what a refreshing signing he's turned out to be.

    Hicks gets himself turned around the wrong way, twice on his route, and still has time to recover and make the ESPN top Web Gem of the night.

    A bunch of great defensive infield plays by the Twins all night long.

    Mauer finally deciding to go against his innate instincts and actually pull one of those Baker meatballs for an RBI double.

    More entertaining misadventures in the OF, what with Parmelee/Escobar and Santana insistent on yet again, making things interesting and challenging for Twins pitchers.

    Oswaldo Arcia staking a strong claim to wanting the "Leader" mantel on his nameplate (or at least "Co-Leader" along with Dozier). And then be called "scary" and "crazy" by Danny Santana at game-end.

    And finally culminating in Gardy going out on the high-wire and giving up Pinto as his security blanket, and especially pinch-hitting a RH hitter (Nunez) against a RHP, actually looking up the history and playing the odds, and then having it somehow work out a couple innings later, with a timely hit and heads-up baserunning by Nunez, coupled with boneheaded plays by the opponent's Gold Glove 3rd baseman and Deadly closer.

    I don't know about you, but to me....That's Entertainment.
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    I was entertained...but Hughes was on the mound and Arcia was back. The next time Correia pitches? Not appointment television.

    Maybe I'm just sour after really trying to invest in watching last weekend's series. I'm probably not being fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I was entertained...but Hughes was on the mound and Arcia was back. The next time Correia pitches? Not appointment television.
    That will be Saturday...against the Yankees...with Tanaka on the mound...in Yankee Stadium. While I'm not expecting much from Correia, or even a win, I fully expect that it will contain entertaining elements.

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    Entertaining. Yes, I chuckled out loud when Soria fumbled Santana's nubber, but that was preceded by me seething at Santana's play in center that should have resulted in an insurance run for the Rangers. Clearly the Rangers lost last night's game, the Twins did not win it.

    Having said that, when you have a starting pitcher and a bull pen that keeps you close, these types of wins happen. To me the priority has to be getting May, Meyer, Johnson and Darnell their shots. I have to believe that at least one of them will end up being a significant improvement over Correia and possibly Gibson. Second, we need to find a capable backup/replacement for Hicks. Hopefully Fuld will return soon (what's up with him anyway).

    I would be surprised if they don't give Hicks every opportunity to succeed this season, he is too valuable in the outfield to be sent down. His catch last night was equal to him hitting home run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I was entertained...but Hughes was on the mound and Arcia was back. The next time Correia pitches? Not appointment television.

    Maybe I'm just sour after really trying to invest in watching last weekend's series. I'm probably not being fair.
    No doubt....the Giants pitching staff...and the Panda....were buzzsaws and buzzkills.

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