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    Assuming Willingham is going to play most games, it is hard to see how the left handed batting Arcia, Kubel and Parmelee can be utilized well in RF/DH. Pinto needs to capture some of that DH time.

    Kubel or Parmelee? Who helps more? It was the same question at the end of spring training. Is the answer the same two months later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest View Post
    Assuming Willingham is going to play most games, it is hard to see how the left handed batting Arcia, Kubel and Parmelee can be utilized well in RF/DH. Pinto needs to capture some of that DH time.

    Kubel or Parmelee? Who helps more? It was the same question at the end of spring training. Is the answer the same two months later?
    Parmelee has younger legs and is more likely to be claimed off of waivers at this point. He hasn't had the highest average, but has shown power. He has also more likely to continue hitting the way he had currently, where Kubel may continue to digress. Kubel has looked very aged over the last few weeks as the rigors of playing the outfield have caught up.

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    For now, Fuld is out of the equation. I'm sure the Twins know more than we do and have a better idea of what to expect in the fore coming days or weeks in regard. IF Sizmore were waived, and Fuld still on the outside as it appears, I'd say go ahead. We need that other option, probably.

    But in my honest opinion, I think we've crossed a line with Hicks. I honestly think we've gotten to the point where working at the ML level, working with theTwins coaches, possibly platooning a bit, will be best for him. No offense to our coaches at Rochester, but much like Gomez, I think he needs experience and coaching at this point.

    Arcia seems more than ready. After the SF series, he comes up and Herrman goes down to get the everyday play he needs.

    Willingham is getting closer. Maybe a good week? Two at the most? Santana seems the most obvious choice so that he can play every day. But not only is he playing decently, and I'd like to see him more at SS, but at the moment he's probably our best backup CF option. So that leaves Kubel, a veteran with a good start but possibly on fumes now, Colabello, a journeyman struggling lately, or Nunez, a young inf. option deserving of opportunity. Three possibles who deserve time, but also deserve or could be replaced.

    Pelfrey, despite a half-way Ok start at Rochester, is not ready.

    Really, really hoping Tonkin comes back strong soon to replace Guerrier and that trades and/of DFA eliminate Pelfrey and/or Correia.

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    Arcia and Willingham should be up Monday. Hermann and Colabello down.

    Going forward split approximately: Suzuki 4 games a week at C, Pinto 2 each at C and DH. Willingham 3 games at DH and 2 in LF. Arcia 4 games a week in RF, 1 at DH. Parmalee 2 games each in RF and LF. Kubel 1 each in LF and at DH. Nunez a game a week in LF.

    Bottom-line, Kubel should play far less with Arcia/Willingham back. Suzuki needs to cede some playing time to Pinto now that he's cooling off as well.

    As for the pitchers, I see zero reason to bring Pelfrey back to the rotation. Deduno has certainly earned his spot. And when the trigger is pulled on Corriea, it should be for Meyer. If he's figured anything out, stick Pelf in the bullpen. If he hasn't, stick him on the 60-day DL or eat the $8 million and release him.

    As for CF, if Fuld is out awhile as it appears, they need to do something. If it's not Sizemore, than someone else. Would they even consider giving Santana a real look there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Arcia and Willingham should be up Monday. Hermann and Colabello down.

    Going forward split approximately: Suzuki 4 games a week at C, Pinto 2 each at C and DH. Willingham 3 games at DH and 2 in LF. Arcia 4 games a week in RF, 1 at DH. Parmalee 2 games each in RF and LF. Kubel 1 each in LF and at DH. Nunez a game a week in LF.

    Bottom-line, Kubel should play far less with Arcia/Willingham back. Suzuki needs to cede some playing time to Pinto now that he's cooling off as well.

    As for the pitchers, I see zero reason to bring Pelfrey back to the rotation. Deduno has certainly earned his spot. And when the trigger is pulled on Corriea, it should be for Meyer. If he's figured anything out, stick Pelf in the bullpen. If he hasn't, stick him on the 60-day DL or eat the $8 million and release him.

    As for CF, if Fuld is out awhile as it appears, they need to do something. If it's not Sizemore, than someone else. Would they even consider giving Santana a real look there?
    Pretty good take...my guess though, is that they give LF back to Hammer 5 times a week, and that's where Kubel gets his cutback. FWIW, the postgame presser saw Gardy give Deduno pretty unconditional backing to keep his spot for some time to come. That doesn't mean that they will stand pat with only 12 pitchers, though, which leaves another position player vulnerable, bringing us to Santana.....

    Santana really needs to be playing every day at SS, somewhere...and until Escobar goes full Alexi Casilla, there's nowhere for Santana to go but Rochester, whether Florimon is also there or not. Meanwhile, it appears that the "mini-surge" is over, as Hicks was completely overmatched again tonight, it seemed like he swung at only 2 out of 15 pitches, both resulting in weak contact, the Twins really need another option....if we knew that there was another SS on the horizon for 2015, I guess I could be convinced to having Santana become a Supe-Util player for now and take some regular reps in CF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    When the Twins start employing game theory, then we can discuss it's relevancy to their situation- how many in management even have a rudimentary college background in mathematics? As of now, I just would liked to have seen them play the probabilities and have anticipated, "a few moves ahead", of the likelihood, or at least the blatant possibility, that Hicks would struggle, both in 2013 and 2014, and that they still would not have solved CF or Leadoff-hitting depth issues, in which case, the Chess analogy works just fine for me, as well as for the Twins.
    How many in management do not have a rudimentary understanding of mathematics. They all have college degrees. Ryan mat be the only one that played baseball.
    That there are teams out there that snap up the Mastroianis, Presleys and even Wilsons of the worlds should be a basic clue that there are not many out there. Another pretty basic concept is not everything you try works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I don't know how you play chess. I play it conditionally. I.e. if my opponent counters my opening, I respond accordingly. I don't respond with the appropriate move until I have to. If I try to force the issue, I typically end up at a disadvantage.

    As to your statement about having both Fuld and Sizemore on the roster, it's not ideal. They are redundant. I'd rather have Sizemore. But I would not want two left-handed hitting fourth outfielders. If Sizemore is DFAd (not terribly likely, IMHO), you claim him. When Fuld is ready, you send him out on a rehab assignment. When that's done, you have a decision about which one to keep. This is how GMs do their jobs. They typically delay decisions until they need to. Decisions usually become easier with time if you let the players show you which ones to keep based on performance.
    .211 ba,.287 OBP and the numbers are going down. I would think the optimism for a return of the old Sizemore will fade as the OPS goes below .600. The possibility of a DFA is pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    When the Twins start employing game theory, then we can discuss it's relevancy to their situation- how many in management even have a rudimentary college background in mathematics? As of now, I just would liked to have seen them play the probabilities and have anticipated, "a few moves ahead", of the likelihood, or at least the blatant possibility, that Hicks would struggle, both in 2013 and 2014, and that they still would not have solved CF or Leadoff-hitting depth issues, in which case, the Chess analogy works just fine for me, as well as for the Twins.
    Going into the season last year, they elected to promote a guy from AA to Opening Day lead-off CF. He had an up-and-down record in the minors, repeating levels and having clunker years. It could have worked--he could have excelled immediately. But it could have very conceivably failed, leaving them with the option of admitting error and demoting him, or digging their heels in and sticking with him.

    Alternatively, by starting him at AAA, there were no bad options. If he did well, he could be promoted (and saved a FA year in the process.). If he failed, the move would have shown he needed time in AAA.

    I don't know what strategy game is the right analogy, but choosing a path very likely to leave you with no good options over a path with only good options/outcomes seems pretty bad. Not to mention the fact that the decision seemed to fly in the face of the recognition of where the team was in terms of it's point in the rebuilding process.

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    I clicked "like" on AM's post above, but I do have a nit to pick. Going into the season, Hicks had 124 days of service in MLB. In order for the Twins to bank another year of service time, Hicks would have had to have been in the minors for four months. It is possible that Hicks could qualify for Super 2 arbitration after next season and a demotion would probably end that scenario.

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    Based on recent comments, it doesn't look like Gardy wants Pelfrey around until he can hit 94 again. They say it's mechanical. That seems unlikely. He seems like a guy who could throw 95 flat footed if he horses it. He can't horse it because his shoulder won't let him, IMO. Anyway, what happens when he runs out of rope on his rehab and he's still sitting at 88?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    How many in management do not have a 1) rudimentary understanding of mathematics. They all have college degrees. Ryan mat be the only one that played baseball.
    That there are teams out there that snap up the Mastroianis, Presleys and even Wilsons of the worlds should be a basic clue that there are not many out there.
    2) Another pretty basic concept is not everything you try works.
    1) You're misstating what I said, I said "college mathematics", most college graduates can get a college degree with little or no math beyond a rehash of high school concepts ("rudimentary" indeed) and an introductory stats course.

    2) Which is why you have to have a viable Plan A, C & D.....and you look for doing some of your snapping up in the offseason when there are many more options....and then you're not blindly and stubbornly only going with one of the most misguided "Plan B's" (Bartlett) in MLB history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    .211 ba,.287 OBP and the numbers are going down. I would think the optimism for a return of the old Sizemore will fade as the OPS goes below .600. The possibility of a DFA is pretty good
    In the race to the bottom, it looks like the Twins FO has the much higher pain threshold:

    Sizemore May BA .214 OPS: 570
    Hicks May BA .184 OPS: .551
    Kubel May BA .197 OPS: .507
    Colabello May BA .125 OPS: .365

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    I clicked "like" on AM's post above, but I do have a nit to pick. Going into the season, Hicks had 124 days of service in MLB. In order for the Twins to bank another year of service time, Hicks would have had to have been in the minors for four months. It is possible that Hicks could qualify for Super 2 arbitration after next season and a demotion would probably end that scenario.
    I was talking about 2013 only. At this point, I would be very happy if we have to worry much about Hicks' service time in the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Anyway, what happens when he runs out of rope on his rehab and he's still sitting at 88?


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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    i suppose no one would claim him if they DFA him. So they send him out and hope he eventually gets his velo back. If not, oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    i suppose no one would claim him if they DFA him. So they send him out and hope he eventually gets his velo back. If not, oh well.
    If they DFA'd him, would he accept an assignment to the minors?
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    I hope we give consideration to signing Kendrys Morales. The offense is starting to show its colors and Kubel, Parmalee, and Colabello are at the top of list of those who are struggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    I clicked "like" on AM's post above, but I do have a nit to pick. Going into the season, Hicks had 124 days of service in MLB. In order for the Twins to bank another year of service time, Hicks would have had to have been in the minors for four months. It is possible that Hicks could qualify for Super 2 arbitration after next season and a demotion would probably end that scenario.
    Even if he were Super 2, what would he earn on arbitration if he continues this performance? 800K instead of the 500K minimum?
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    We should hear the transactions after the game. Reinforcements Arcia and Hammer in exchange for ? & ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    If they DFA'd him, would he accept an assignment to the minors?
    If he doesn't accept assignment, do they still have to pay him? I think he becomes a free agent, which would be a gift.
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