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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    Terry called around and was offered Chinese takeout for one. He should have done that deal.
    Did it come with the cream cheese wontons? Unless it did, no deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer07 View Post
    At some point, someone has to put an end to the "you need one catcher on the bench at all times" nonsense, right? It really hurts the team to have Hermann as the defensive replacement when the Twins also have two too many pitchers on the roster.
    I think what hurts more, is the crappy rotation that up until recently 4/5 could only get you 5 innings. It takes two extra relief pitchers who to fill that space. True, the extra catcher hurts, but at least the extra catcher picks up a bat with regularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    I think this is the third season in a row where poor 40 man roster construction impacts the 25 man roster. Some of that is due to fairly bad luck with injury, some of it isn't. Keeping Bartlett around, for example, immediately cost a spot on both rosters and that's not bad luck. The need for three catchers and oversized bullpens impacts both rosters, and that isn't bad luck.

    So you end up, a month into the season, without suitable options.
    I would suggest trade deadline deals involving moving one veteran in the last months of his contract in exchange for two players who require 40-man spots despite the fact that they were already DFA candidates may be one reason for such 40-man problems.

    I'm really curious which AAAA swingman and utility players the Twins will be asking for in exchange for Willingham this July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I would suggest trade deadline deals involving moving one veteran in the last months of his contract in exchange for two players who require 40-man spots despite the fact that they were already DFA candidates may be one reason for such 40-man problems.

    I'm really curious which AAAA swingman and utility players the Twins will be asking for in exchange for Willingham this July.
    Yeah, the Twins would have been better off just getting Escobar for Liriano, and Johnson for Morneau. It's like they couldn't resist getting another "free" player even though ultimately they had no real interest or affinity for that player.

    On the other hand, there has almost always been enough dead weight on the 40-man, this shouldn't really be an issue. If they are willing to cut that dead weight, of course.

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    At the moment the best record in baseball is held by the Brewers. Here is their 40-man:

    http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/tea...n.jsp?c_id=mil

    Anybody want to perform the same analysis of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    At the moment the best record in baseball is held by the Brewers. Here is their 40-man:

    http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/tea...n.jsp?c_id=mil

    Anybody want to perform the same analysis of this?
    If you are referring to the lack of OF depth on the Brewers roster, my only opinion would be that you probably should have a little more depth when your everyday CF'er is Aaron Hicks and his sub .600 career OPS vs. one of the best CF'ers in baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    At the moment the best record in baseball is held by the Brewers. Here is their 40-man:

    http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/tea...n.jsp?c_id=mil

    Anybody want to perform the same analysis of this?
    5 OF (1 on DL), including at least 2 natural CF, just 2 catchers. On their 25 man, there are 4 OF including the 2 CF and only 12 pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sconnie View Post
    I still think Kenny Wilson is good depth for 2015 . . .
    Good luck with that. I'm not saying he won't get a chance, because the team overweights speed, but the only way a 24-year old hitting .220 in AA with no power and a career 2:5 W:K ratio (worse in AA last year and this year) who has made 2 errors in 8 games with New Britain (as an outfielder!) will provide any material contribution to the success of the 2015 Twins is if Wilson stands behind a wall with his face partially obscured and gives sage advice to Gardy or his sidekick Rick "Al Borland" Anderson.
    "Where's the Crede?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deduno Abides View Post
    the only way a 24-year old hitting .220 in AA with no power and a career 2:5 W:K ratio (worse in AA last year and this year) who has made 2 errors in 8 games with New Britain (as an outfielder!) will provide any material contribution to the success of the 2015 Twins is if Wilson stands behind a wall with his face partially obscured and gives sage advice to Gardy or his sidekick Rick "Al Borland" Anderson.
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    (He's my Adopt-A-Prospect after all.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuluthFan View Post
    Sam Fuld is the back up center fielder. He is holding the position until Hicks returns from the DL. What you are looking for is the back up to the back up, which most teams don't keep on the 25 man roster. The Twins did pickup a minor league outfielder from Toronto who is on the 40 man roster and they still have their own minor league system to draw on.

    As far as back ups for 2nd and 3rd, with the way Dozier and Plouffe are playing this year they should not need many off days. In the case that they do, Escobar can slide over to cover the position while Florimon covers shortstop.
    Yeah but...

    We broke camp with Hicks as the starter (which was questionable after Hicks 2013). And Bartlett as the backup (which was just plain questionable). Shedding Presley which was questionable and we were fortunate that Fuld became available or else it's Clete Thomas ilk again.

    Personally... I'm not looking for a backup or a backup to the backup... I'm looking for a starter.

    I was driving down 1st street... I hit this huge pothole... The sound was loud... The car shook... I worried that I wrecked my car... A week later I was driving down the same street... Same pothole... I swerved to avoid it.

    I'm looking for an indication that the powers that be... noticed... that Clete Thomas played 92 games in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Yeah but...

    We broke camp with Hicks as the starter (which was questionable after Hicks 2013). And Bartlett as the backup (which was just plain questionable). Shedding Presley which was questionable and we were fortunate that Fuld became available or else it's Clete Thomas ilk again.

    Personally... I'm not looking for a backup or a backup to the backup... I'm looking for a starter.

    I was driving down 1st street... I hit this huge pothole... The sound was loud... The car shook... I worried that I wrecked my car... A week later I was driving down the same street... Same pothole... I swerved to avoid it.

    I'm looking for an indication that the powers that be... noticed... that Clete Thomas played 92 games in 2013.
    I think the guy you want is in Fort Myers at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    I think the guy you want is in Fort Myers at the moment.
    Right, so just like potholes you have to wait a long time before the fix happens. In the meantime, intentionally hitting potholes isn't recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Yeah but...

    We broke camp with Hicks as the starter (which was questionable after Hicks 2013). And Bartlett as the backup (which was just plain questionable). Shedding Presley which was questionable and we were fortunate that Fuld became available or else it's Clete Thomas ilk again.

    I'm looking for an indication that the powers that be... noticed... that Clete Thomas played 92 games in 2013.
    Just "questionable"? Really? Taken as a whole, methinks these strange series of moves, or the lack thereof, show sufficient cause for the need of a Congressional investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Right, so just like potholes you have to wait a long time before the fix happens. In the meantime, intentionally hitting potholes isn't recommended.
    And especially since our current CF pothole situation looks more like this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    At the moment the best record in baseball is held by the Brewers. Here is their 40-man:

    http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/tea...n.jsp?c_id=mil

    Anybody want to perform the same analysis of this?
    Looking at this makes we want to look at all the 40-Man rosters to find one with bigger flaws than Minnesota's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby_Waved_At_Me View Post
    Looking at this makes we want to look at all the 40-Man rosters to find one with bigger flaws than Minnesota's.
    Go for it. Probably start with Houston.
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    Well. Don't know if we'd say these are "worse" but . . .

    Boston has 5 catchers on the 40-man (only 2 on the 25) and some clown that can only DH.

    The Blue Jays have 3 catchers on the 25, and only 3 OF on the 25 (makes sense that they wanted Mastro)

    Tampa, of course is doing it all "wrong" - only 2 catchers on the 40 Man, and 6 OF on the 25 man roster...

    The Angels only have 3 OF on the 25 man (and one of them is Raul Ibañez) due to injuries.

    The Braves are carrying 3 catchers on their 25 man (and Doumit is one of them...), they also have had bad injury luck (4 pitchers on the 60 day DL)

    The Padres are carrying 3 cacthers on their 25 man and only 4 infielders (Chase Headley is on the 15 day DL).

    Houston's roster construction isn't terrible in theory, they have positional balance, it's just that with a few exceptions, the players aren't that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby_Waved_At_Me View Post
    Well. Don't know if we'd say these are "worse" but . . .

    Boston has 5 catchers on the 40-man (only 2 on the 25) and some clown that can only DH.

    The Blue Jays have 3 catchers on the 25, and only 3 OF on the 25 (makes sense that they wanted Mastro)

    Tampa, of course is doing it all "wrong" - only 2 catchers on the 40 Man, and 6 OF on the 25 man roster...

    .
    My personal opinion, the Rays handle their roster and lineup better than anyone. Primarily through platooning their OF, catcher, 2B, and DH (where they don't have good players). They were able to get these number out of guys that have been cast offs and are not making any money:

    Sean Rodriguez (Utility) - .704 OPS
    Jose Labaton (catcher with 311 PA last year) - .714 OPS
    Matt Joyce - .747 OPS
    David Dejesus - .741 OPS
    Delmon Young - .781 OPS
    Kelly Johnson - .715 OPS
    Luke Scott - .748 OPS

    So you are the Twins and you have a debacle at SS. Escrobar has a career OPS over .700 against lefties. Could we not find a single SS out there, a guy labeled as utility guy with a reasonable OPS against righties?

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    The Rays definitely favor flexibility. Some teams would argue that players play better when they have a clearly defined role and a routine, but I think the Rays have shown with their recent sucesses that having lots of players that can play multiple positions instead of one utility guy at the end of the bench is an asset.

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    The Twins are doing a bad job solving the problem at SS, but I do cut them some slack in cases where there's a prospect coming that makes it hard to sign a real player to a real deal. What CF wants to come here knowing that Buxton is bearing down on his position? And even if that guy wanted the job do you want to sign that contract? They chose to use the time to find out who Hicks is rather than invest in a damaged Upton or bring back Span or whatever other notions were floated. It wasn't a bad idea; the bad idea in CF was not having a plan in case you didn't like who Hicks turned out to be, or in case there was an injury.

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