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    Next offseason we should go after Drew, Lawrie and then Cabrera in that order. I am open to trades or other ideas as well. At this point, I would prefer to see Bernier up and platooning with Escobar.

    I did think that Florimon was able to hit in the .625 -.660 OPS range with 10 HR and 15 stolen bases. not great but enough, especially with the way the rest of our offense has come together. Not trying to get off topic but, I wonder who the biggest offensive surpise is this year? Suzuki, Colabello, Kubel, or Pinto, or even Dozier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    I wonder who the biggest offensive surpise is this year? Suzuki, Colabello, Kubel, or Pinto, or even Dozier.
    It would have to be Pinto because he's the most likely to continue hitting at an above-average level if you exclude Dozier.

    And I'm excluding Dozier because I expected him to have acceptable offensive production. To me, the only surprise is that he has continued to hit for this much power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Next offseason we should go after Drew, Lawrie and then Cabrera in that order. I am open to trades or other ideas as well. At this point, I would prefer to see Bernier up and platooning with Escobar.
    I really like the platoon idea. Escobar has a career .704 OPS against lefties. I am guessing we have someone in our system or we can sign one cheap that has a reasonable OPS against righties.

    Obviously, you want to actually solve the problem by getting someone good. But I have my doubts. This would be a good plan B but I am sure this is too innovative for the Twins. Gardy probably has some unwritten rule/random thought on my it is a better idea to have one single guy with a .400 OPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    I still think Dozier deserves another crack at it. His defensive numbers weren't that bad at SS in 2012, and he looks a lot more comfortable in the bigs now. Probably not worth it until we get an interesting option to play 2B in his place -- maybe Rosario? Would have liked adding one of those Cubans.
    They could move Dozier to SS but the most appealing 2B to hit free agency next offseason will be (drum roll)... Emilio Bonifacio.

    So yeah... anymore Cubans coming down the pipeline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor0333 View Post
    Didi Gregorious is known to be available, although Im sure the asking price is quite high. Their bullpen has been a complete & utter disaster,while I don't think the FO could pull off a Reverse Bill Smith trade. However if you offered up Burton &or Duensing with Ryan Pressly to cure their bullpen woes as the gravy in a package with Jorge Polanco & Stephen Gonsalves. Maybe they bite.
    Um, no. That won't happen, but I like the Duensing addition.

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    "Santana is the logical choice. But do we really want to trust the position to a rookie now that we're close to contending? " Are we that close? Happy if we are but a game over .500 over an eight of a season isn't really that convincing. For shortstop I had suggested a trade with Sano back when he was a top 5 prospect and there were 2 or 3 shortstops in the top 6. I would have been happier with a great major league ready upside elite shortstop and take my chances with Plouffe or other at 3rd than Sano at 3rd and Florimon at short. That is out the window and unfortunately Rosario would be selling low at this point and I think Buxton would require more than a top 6 shortstop in trade. Stewart for a closer to ready good upside shortstop prospect?

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    I think it is premature to discuss potentially trading any of our top prospects, especially Sano, Buxton, or Stewart. To discuss trading any of these, you would have to get huge packages back from the other team plus be willing to risk the ire of the fan base who have been told for the last 2+ years that these names are the future. Quite simply, you do not trade your future for the potential to contend this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Um, no. That won't happen, but I like the Duensing addition.
    What, Polanco, Gonsalves, & Pressly not enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdrupp09 View Post
    I think it is premature to discuss potentially trading any of our top prospects, especially Sano, Buxton, or Stewart. To discuss trading any of these, you would have to get huge packages back from the other team plus be willing to risk the ire of the fan base who have been told for the last 2+ years that these names are the future. Quite simply, you do not trade your future for the potential to contend this year.
    Who said trade for a guy that only helps for this year? I don't think anyone is proposing that.
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    Need a placeholder? Why not try Escobar full-time and bring up Doug Bernier to be the utility guy? Bernier won't be great but he's seeing the ball well right now.

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    I honestly don't see much of any of this being feasible or particularly attractive as solutions. In my eyes, moving Dozier remains the best bet for this team.

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    I honestly don't see much of any of this being feasible or particularly attractive as solutions. In my eyes, moving Dozier remains the best bet for this team.
    I don't know what Dozier would bring back unless he continues to do what he's doing for a couple months but I think trying to sell high on some players is the best bet if the Twins really do want to build a team around guys like Sano/Buxton/Meyer. They still have a lot of holes to fill and it wont' all come from the minors and I don't think they have the resources to plug every hole from free agency. I'd like to see the Twins continue to stuff their minor leagues with as much pitching as possible.

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    Sorry meant move to SS.

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    Sorry meant move to SS.
    Ooops. My bad. In any case, my argument is still that I want to see them continue to drag pitching into the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Drew is "on the wrong side of 30" now, but Lowrie, who will be almost the exact same age next off-season as Drew is now, will be a viable FA target?
    My point was this: Here's a guy whose K-rate has been consistently on the rise, all the way up to 25 percent last year. And I don't really expect that to turn around as he ages into his mid-30s.

    His age, on its own, isn't all that noteworthy. Most free agents are 30+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Who said trade for a guy that only helps for this year? I don't think anyone is proposing that.
    I wasn't meaning to imply that it would only be for a guy for this year, however to even consider trading any one of arguably the top 3 or 4 top prospects to grace the Twins system in the past decade is premature. Also, to even consider it you are going to have to look for a SS prospect of equal value. Are there any in the minors, Correa maybe?

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    I don't think anyone said trade Sano or Buxton. Now, if you sign shields, and you have Meyer and May and Berrios.....would you not trade Stewart for a proven SS and another player? What about Boggaerts and another player? I don't know. A bird in the hand.....I'd think about it, but ONLY if I was willing to buy a top SP in FA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    My point was this: Here's a guy whose K-rate has been consistently on the rise, all the way up to 25 percent last year. And I don't really expect that to turn around as he ages into his mid-30s.His age, on its own, isn't all that noteworthy. Most free agents are 30+.
    fair enough, I misunderstood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I honestly don't see much of any of this being feasible or particularly attractive as solutions. In my eyes, moving Dozier remains the best bet for this team.
    I think a move back to short becomes a real option if he continues to hit. We can deal with subpar fielding if the guy is OPSing at .800 or even .750.

    Not that Dozier is necessarily a subpar shortstop but it'll probably take some time to get him back up to speed at the position.

    With that said, I don't want to see Dozier moved this year. He deserves the chance to get his feet under him and cement himself as a productive hitter before the team messes with his head at all.

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    Chief's opinion: In the minds of Twins management (both front office and dugout) Dozier is not a SS, and won't be moved back under except possibly to finish out a game in extreme circumstances.
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