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    Article: Looking Ahead to Find a Shortstop


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    Next offseason should be used for 2 things. Signing James Shields (please god, please) and one of the shortstops mentioned. Realistically it comes between Jed Lowrie and Asdrubal Cabrera. I would be more excited for Lowrie given that he has been more consistently solid than Cabrera. Imagine if you will.....

    2015 Minnesota Twins:
    Starters-
    Shields
    Meyer
    Nolasco
    Gibson
    Hughes

    Fielders (from catcher to RF)-
    Pinto
    Mauer
    Dozier
    Sano/Plouffe (one will DH)
    Lowrie/Cabrera
    Hicks
    Buxton
    Arcia

    Now this is saying basically EVERYTHING went right for the team from here on out. You can also throw Colabello out there to swing the stick if he plays half as good the rest of '14 as he has/did in April. The above team can actually make some noise and may become favorites in the Central. But hey, maybe wishful thinking but entirely possible.

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    "It was, without question, one of the most blatantly and inexcusably horrendous personnel decisions this organization has ever made, but there's no use dwelling on it."

    Gah. Take away all my fun. I suppose you want me to take down the Bill Smith dartboard too?

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    Put Rosario in LF, and your lineup is more fun to imagine, imo. I also think it is possible May is in the rotation, and they've already moved on from Nolasco or Hughes, but unlikely. I would guess they do NOT sign a FA pitcher, because May, Darnell, and Johnson are in AAA, and Berrios is in AA and Stewart is in high A. But, I could be wrong.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    There's a guy in Japan right now named Tsuyoshi Nishiokia. Maybe he could be our long term answer at ss.

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    I realize he's not tearing the league up, but I actually find Santana's results so far relatively encouraging. His first taste of AAA and after a couple weeks he's holding his own with the bat to a .268/.311/.381/.692 line as a SS. That's not stellar, but he's also not failing, and I find that to be a good sign. He's not ready yet, perhaps, but let's see what things look like in a couple months, I haven't given up on seeing Santana at SS by the AS break.

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    Hanley would almost assuredly get a qualifying offer, which pretty much takes him out of the running. I could see one or two others on this list also receiving a QO even if the team doesn't need them back, because it still nets them either a draft pick or trade bait.

    Baseball needs to fix the QO system because it is effectively killing free agency for guys considered solid (but not transcendent) players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    Maybe they can trade for this guy recently signed into the Cardinal organization...(scroll to the right side to see the sweet slash line).....signed through 2018 at $2M/yr.........

    Year Age AgeDif Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
    2007 16 Villa Clara CNS Fgn
    2008 17 Villa Clara CNS Fgn
    2009 18 Villa Clara CNS Fgn
    2010 19 Villa Clara CNS Fgn
    2011 20 Villa Clara CNS Fgn
    2014 23 -1.1 Springfield TL AA STL 20 80 75 8 23 5 1 3 16 4 2 1 19 .307
    .321 .520 .841 39 1 1 2 1 0

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    But in the two seasons prior, Drew hit just .238/.313/.373 with 12 home runs total. He strikes out a ton. And he's already on the wrong side of 30. While he's almost certain to be an upgrade over Florimon, Drew doesn't strike me as being worthy of a sizable investment. ]
    Why the persistence in repeatedly making this assertion about Drew's lackluster numbers in 2011-2012, without noting as a qualifier the catastrophic injury he sustained in 2011, one from which he finally was fully recovered from in 2013? (Again, Drew's foot was literally pointing backwards after the fateful slide into home plate).

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    Knowing this team's past with short stops, they will probably sign Drew to a 4/60 contract a week before the draft.

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    Your list is incomplete.

    #FreeDeRosa

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Why the persistence in repeatedly making this assertion about Drew's lackluster numbers in 2011-2012, without noting as a qualifier the catastrophic injury he sustained in 2011, one from which he finally was fully recovered from in 2013? (Again, Drew's foot was literally pointing backwards after the fateful slide into home plate).
    I guess the same reason that others continually tout Drew as a quality player without noting as a qualifier that he couldn't hit anywhere but Fenway park nor could he hit against lefthanders.

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    Mauer to shortstop.

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    jokin, we don't need any cubans....plus, they are just too expensive, and they wouldn't sign here becuase it is cold, and, um, what are the other multitudes of excuses for not signing international FAs again?
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Why the persistence in repeatedly making this assertion about Drew's lackluster numbers in 2011-2012, without noting as a qualifier the catastrophic injury he sustained in 2011, one from which he finally was fully recovered from in 2013? (Again, Drew's foot was literally pointing backwards after the fateful slide into home plate).
    That bugs me too. And acknowledging that doesn't necessarily mean you endorse Drew.

    We give Pelfrey a bigger pass on his 2013 all the time, despite the fact that he put up an almost identical ERA+ in the full season before his surgery too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    nor could he hit against lefthanders?
    A .683 OPS isn't world beating, but it certainly isn't that bad.
    Does he hit worse against LHP? (Yes, just as most LHB do)
    Is he a liability against them? Absolutely not.

    He also can hit outside of Fenway (Which is only his 8th best park, 6th best when you take away the very SSS)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Why the persistence in repeatedly making this assertion about Drew's lackluster numbers in 2011-2012, without noting as a qualifier the catastrophic injury he sustained in 2011, one from which he finally was fully recovered from in 2013? (Again, Drew's foot was literally pointing backwards after the fateful slide into home plate).

    Let's also not forget about the Fenway factor for Drew in 2013.2011 & 2012 total OPS was .686
    2013 Home OPS .858
    2013 Away OPS .687

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    Hardy was due to become a free agent after the 2011 season. There was no guarantee that the Twins would have resigned him. The Twins were cutting payroll during that period.
    Also, Hardy had misgivings with the Twins Medical Staff. There was a good chance Hardy would have been gone anyway.
    Last edited by Highabove; 04-30-2014 at 11:33 AM.

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    Bill Smith gets a lot of criticism, most of it deservedly so. At least he did have the balls to try and make a deal, the team had been way too conservative on the trade market prior. That's why I can forgive the Young/Garza deal. Still you don't trade position players for relievers, especially the premium positions (C, SS, CF). Hoey was a essentially a non prospect too but for what he got it shows other teams weren't exactly knocking down their door for Hardy either & the Ramos/Capps was nearly as bad.
    Last edited by Trevor0333; 04-30-2014 at 11:36 AM.

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    Drew is "on the wrong side of 30" now, but Lowrie, who will be almost the exact same age next off-season as Drew is now, will be a viable FA target?
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