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    Ya, KLAW is a "so called" analyst....former scout, worked in a front office, flies all over the country to watch players in person, and has contacts all over baseball, but he's a "so called" analyst. Sheesh.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    This is what bugs me about these so-called analysts like K-Law. They watch a guy throw on the side and they think they know everything about the guy. K-Law visited the Twins spring training complex and saw May warming up and struggling to throw his fastball where he wanted. Based on 10 minutes of warm-ups, he tweets "I don't know if May will every be a major league pitcher. He only has two viable pitches--the straight fastball and a breaking ball--and only one of them is potential major league pitch." He didn't even watch him in one game, nor did he look at the numbers or scouting reports. Now every guy who has read K-Law thinks he's an expert on Trevor May.
    How many games have you seen May pitch in person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    If May now has a plus changeup, it's a very new development. He didn't have a good one last year or at any time before then. I didn't see any talk about it in Spring Training. When exactly did he master the pitch, and does any objective support for your assertion exist?
    Baseball America Objective enough? According to them, based on his 2013 season he has the best changeup in the organization.

    Nothing new there about this changeup. Recent (in the Twins' organization) but not new...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Baseball America Objective enough? According to them, based on his 2013 season he has the best changeup in the organization.

    Nothing new there about this changeup. Recent (in the Twins' organization) but not new...
    Taylor Rogers is also on the "best of" list. So what? That has as more to do with other arms in the system than anything. Is there a scouting report or video somewhere that talks about this great changeup that nonetheless wasn't enough to keep AA hitters from frequently bashing him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    How many games have you seen May pitch in person?
    Two.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    Taylor Rogers is also on the "best of" list. So what? That has as more to do with other arms in the system than anything. Is there a scouting report or video somewhere that talks about this great changeup that nonetheless wasn't enough to keep AA hitters from frequently bashing him?
    http://philliesnation.com/archives/2...hp-trevor-may/

    https://twitter.com/PhilMackey/statu...59900334485504

    http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/20...mays-changeup/

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minor...-10-prospects/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/13877445@N06/8719092358/

    http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2587

    http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp..._milb&sid=milb
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Ya, KLAW is a "so called" analyst....former scout, worked in a front office, flies all over the country to watch players in person, and has contacts all over baseball, but he's a "so called" analyst. Sheesh.
    Credentials can work both ways. If he thinks he can look at a guy in a side piece and determine that he'll never make it, he's way overconfident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Credentials can work both ways. If he thinks he can look at a guy in a side piece and determine that he'll never make it, he's way overconfident.
    And Law would never make that argument off that info ALONE.
    Law gets asked questions similar to this all the time in his chats, and he explains that he has contacts that see these guys more than he does who he trusts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    And Law would never make that argument off that info ALONE.
    Law gets asked questions similar to this all the time in his chats, and he explains that he has contacts that see these guys more than he does who he trusts.
    If so, that tweet did not represent what had gone on for at least a year. Numbers don't lie. You don't lead the league in strikeouts three years in a row and have no chance at the majors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    If so, that tweet did not represent what had gone on for at least a year. Numbers don't lie. You don't lead the league in strikeouts three years in a row and have no chance at the majors.
    By "major league pitcher" I'm guessing he meant he doesn't think he'll be successful, not that he won't get a shot.
    The great part about sports is we eventually get to see how it plays out!

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    These amateur scouting reports are fun an all, but I'm gonna trust the numbers. If May continues to have some semblance of control, he's a damn good prospect. Three starts doesn't prove anything, but his K/BB ratio is very encouraging thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    If so, that tweet did not represent what had gone on for at least a year. Numbers don't lie. You don't lead the league in strikeouts three years in a row and have no chance at the majors.
    David Bromberg didn't get a chance despite easily leading the Midwest league and the FSL in K's. Leading a league in K's means that the player was healthy, didn't get promoted and can strikeout hitters. You will notice that Bromberg and May were also in the top 3 in BB's during those years.

    There's no doubt that he's a prospect but he's not a great one. He is imo as ready as he'll ever be though. Obviously he can refine and improve his game but we're talking about a 24 yr old with 700 MiLB innings.

    I also don't understand why everyone has been obsessed with this Keith Law quote. As pointed out earlier almost every scouting report has been saying these things forever.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if May's career follows that of Ricky Nolasco. Nolasco was a K heavy pitcher with some control issues as well. He was very frustrating to follow when he first came up. I like May, but I suspect he's going to have some struggles in the majors. I think he's trending in the right direction, but I suspect his learning curve will be a bit more difficult.

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    Why is May apparently only being considered as a starter? Perhaps he would best be used as a reliever and to me there is nothing wrong with that. All teams need decent relief pitchers so if any prospect fails as a starter but can pitche well in relief why not go that route?

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