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    Article: Rotation Reinforcements Waiting in the (Red) Wings


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    That does make me feel better about the rotation this year. If Deduno moves to the rotation and Burton is either hurt or in a prolonged slump, who gets the next call to the pen? There's Guerrier and Pressly and who else Tonkin is already up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    That does make me feel better about the rotation this year. If Deduno moves to the rotation and Burton is either hurt or in a prolonged slump, who gets the next call to the pen? There's Guerrier and Pressly and who else Tonkin is already up.
    Guerrier, Hoffman, Guerra, Thompson. There are some solid bullpen options in AAA now.

    I also think that Deduno is just fine in the role he's in. Aside from his first outing, he's been very solid.

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    That'd be a real shot in the arm if May suddenly figured it out and stopped walking people.

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    That'd be a real shot in the arm if May suddenly figured it out and stopped walking people.
    Just two in his first 9.2 innings. Big step for May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parker Hageman View Post
    Just two in his first 9.2 innings. Big step for May.
    Yep, and after a cursory glance, it appears that he's missin' lots and lots of bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parker Hageman View Post
    Just two in his first 9.2 innings. Big step for May.
    Right, he is a fly ball pitcher with a propensity for the HR balls. Keeping guys off base is needed. I would like to his his Batting Ave Against go down, its not terrible now, but not great

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    Aside fromMeyer – I don’t think they are any better than a year ago. Here are their career minor #’s: (Age)ERA/WHIP/K9
    May (24): 4.07/1.36/10.73
    Johnson(29): 4.38/1.46/6.36
    Darnell(25): 4.04/1.35/6.22
    Versus
    Hendricks(25): 2.94/1.09/7.54
    Hernandez(25): 4.00/1.34/6.86
    Albers (28): 2.86/1.18/7.45

    I'd say Johnson/Darnell are a push to Hernandez/Albers. Let's be honest - none of those guys are anything to get too excited about. May vs. Hendricks....May certainly has a better arm, but Hendricks had better overall results in the minors and a quicker track to the majors. Remember, Hendricks was a top ten (team) prospect in 2011 and 2012 and then "poof" he was considered a bust at age 24 (same age as May is now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Nasty View Post
    Aside fromMeyer – I don’t think they are any better than a year ago. Here are their career minor #’s: (Age)ERA/WHIP/K9
    May (24): 4.07/1.36/10.73
    Johnson(29): 4.38/1.46/6.36
    Darnell(25): 4.04/1.35/6.22
    Versus
    Hendricks(25): 2.94/1.09/7.54
    Hernandez(25): 4.00/1.34/6.86
    Albers (28): 2.86/1.18/7.45

    I'd say Johnson/Darnell are a push to Hernandez/Albers. Let's be honest - none of those guys are anything to get too excited about. May vs. Hendricks....May certainly has a better arm, but Hendricks had better overall results in the minors and a quicker track to the majors. Remember, Hendricks was a top ten (team) prospect in 2011 and 2012 and then "poof" he was considered a bust at age 24 (same age as May is now).
    Good reminder of what a crapshoot prospects are, but I think these prospects are rated higher overall then Hendricks and the Twins minor league talent is higher than when Hendricks was in the system. So a top ten prospect 3-4 years ago probably is more like a low 20 in the current system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Guerrier, Hoffman, Guerra, Thompson. There are some solid bullpen options in AAA now.

    I also think that Deduno is just fine in the role he's in. Aside from his first outing, he's been very solid.
    I would add Yohan Pino's name to the list. He was very impressive Saturday night.
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    I'd guess Tonkin is somehow mysteriously in AAA at some point again, so he's a contingency for when their other RP fail.....I agree, the SP depth is 100x better right now. Still not sold on May, but still hopeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Guerrier, Hoffman, Guerra, Thompson. There are some solid bullpen options in AAA now.

    I also think that Deduno is just fine in the role he's in. Aside from his first outing, he's been very solid.
    I agree Deduno is fine where he is at in the pen. I think he is still a good starter too and an option to be a 6th or 7th starter. So if he goes to the rotation and Burton continues to be ineffective then another bullpen arm is needed which was all I was trying to communicate with a scenario and see who everyone thought would be a contender to move up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Nasty View Post
    Aside fromMeyer – I don’t think they are any better than a year ago. Here are their career minor #’s: (Age)ERA/WHIP/K9
    May (24): 4.07/1.36/10.73
    Johnson(29): 4.38/1.46/6.36
    Darnell(25): 4.04/1.35/6.22
    Versus
    Hendricks(25): 2.94/1.09/7.54
    Hernandez(25): 4.00/1.34/6.86
    Albers (28): 2.86/1.18/7.45

    I'd say Johnson/Darnell are a push to Hernandez/Albers. Let's be honest - none of those guys are anything to get too excited about. May vs. Hendricks....May certainly has a better arm, but Hendricks had better overall results in the minors and a quicker track to the majors. Remember, Hendricks was a top ten (team) prospect in 2011 and 2012 and then "poof" he was considered a bust at age 24 (same age as May is now).
    We have 8 potential starters before a drop off of potential. That's pretty impressive. The 8 are the 5 starting now plus Deduno, Meyer, and May.

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    I'd give Pelfrey one more start to see if he can pitch 6 innings. If he fails, swap him with Sam. You perform or you lose your job. Im sick of the long leashes Twins players get. Trade Correia ASAP.

    Would love to see Meyer by June, and Trevor May soon after. The Pelfrey signing is mystifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    We have 8 potential starters before a drop off of potential. That's pretty impressive. The 8 are the 5 starting now plus Deduno, Meyer, and May.
    Compared with 3 at the break of ST last year, I'd say the Twins are looking better at pitching this year... Does it make you wonder how the starting rotation conversation went last Spring Training?

    Gardy: well we went out and got the Vanimal and Corrieasy, they should be pretty good, we still have Diamondsy, he should be pretty good. I'm hopeful Pelf can come back from Tommy John. Who else do you have in the rotation for me Terry?
    TR: Well we have these 5 guys that are AAA filler, take your pick.
    Gardy: I guess since Deduno manages to miss a steel barn with magenetic baseballs, we'll roll with DeVriesy and Hendricksy, who throw watermelons down the middle of the strike zone. I don't want that Deduno kid unless I'm desperate. Besides, what could go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    We have 8 potential starters before a drop off of potential. That's pretty impressive. The 8 are the 5 starting now plus Deduno, Meyer, and May.
    We certainly have more depth, and that is a good thing. Last year Deduno would not have been in the pen. But I am more excited about the quality, not the quantity.

    Nolasco, Hughes, and Gibson are good pitchers and in my eyes none is a #5 starter. And of course you have Meyer who is more talented then them all. He is hands down the best pitching prospect we have brought up since 2006. Then before that 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta Shearing View Post
    I'd give Pelfrey one more start to see if he can pitch 6 innings. If he fails, swap him with Sam. You perform or you lose your job. Im sick of the long leashes Twins players get. Trade Correia ASAP.

    Would love to see Meyer by June, and Trevor May soon after. The Pelfrey signing is mystifying.
    Last year, there wasn't a choice on the long leashes in the rotation. You take your lumps when you have zero MLB caliber pitching. After watching the horrid pitching last year, I have no problem holding on to the three best pitchers from last years rotation, even if they are less than ideal. The Pelfrey signing made perfect sense, he was the best second half pitcher on the team. Granted, terrible rotation, but the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. The last thing TR wanted to do, was roll into ST with no depth again. So far Correia had been less than stellar, but effective. I have no problem with Pelf or Correia yet. I agree that I would like to see Meyer and May in the rotation, possibly this season, when they are ready. Correia and Pelfrey are relatively cheap and effective insurance that gives the team the luxury of allowing Meyer and May to mature before coming up.

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    On a team that has been finishing 30 games below .500, here we have a pitcher who has been winning half his starts and is fun as heck to watch while doing it! So I guess I see why Deduno was cast into the bullpen because of the signings, though I don't agree. I'd like to see him get first crack, followed by May, followed by whoever / hoping it doesn't come to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
    On a team that has been finishing 30 games below .500, here we have a pitcher who has been winning half his starts and is fun as heck to watch while doing it! So I guess I see why Deduno was cast into the bullpen because of the signings, though I don't agree. I'd like to see him get first crack, followed by May, followed by whoever / hoping it doesn't come to that.

    In my humble opinion, when the super 2 deadline passes in June, Meyer should be up here and bump the most inneffective between Pelfrey and KC. If they are both pitching well, trade one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
    On a team that has been finishing 30 games below .500, here we have a pitcher who has been winning half his starts and is fun as heck to watch while doing it! So I guess I see why Deduno was cast into the bullpen because of the signings, though I don't agree. I'd like to see him get first crack, followed by May, followed by whoever / hoping it doesn't come to that.

    I agree with you Hosken. Why has Deduno not been given more chances to start? He has won games and seems to have legit stuff. Maybe Gardy and Andy don't think that he pitches to contact well enough?!? I was high on Pelfrey to start out the season thinking he's two years removed from TJ, but I'm one or two more train-wreck starts away from hopping off that train. I'm okay with Correia, Gibson, Hughes, and Nolasco at this point, but lets get Deduno a start and see what he can do. I'd love to see Meyer/May up at some point too, but lets see who else gets derailed first.

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