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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    He doesnt have to platoon to be effective. Particularly compared to current options. He doesnt hit as well against same side pitching. Big deal. You can say the same about roughly 98 percent of MLB hitters.

    Well the platoon was previously mentioned as a positive opportunity, that post was simply my rebuttal. And while most players do hit better against opposite handed pitching, Drew's splits are dreadful. .585 against LHP last year and .567 the year before. He was much better earlier in his career. These kind of drop offs, along with a rash of injuries and increased K numbers usually signals the end of everyday contribution.

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    My guess is they tried to sign him and he didn't want their money!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I have a hard time seeing Ryan and company willing to pay $12 million over multiple years for a guy they know has to platoon to be effective.
    I think the original poster was assuming he wouldn't be platooned right away. But in the event his 2013 platoon split continued or got worse, his strength against RHP and his SS ability should keep him useful for a while (at least thru the 2-3 years the Twins would sign him for).

    And certainly, if our scouts think he is permanently doomed against LHP, that should be reflected in our contract offer to him (i.e. not $12m AAV).

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    Among the options below...



    1. Anyone know why the Tigers would rather go with "A" than "B"?

    2. Would you rather have "A" or "C"?

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    Welp...puzzling as ever...other than Drew won't be offered $15M this offseason - is the eventual signing of Stephen Drew by the Red Sox...

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...s-with-red-sox

    Did he not have a better offer than a total of $10M...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsfan34 View Post

    Did he not have a better offer than a total of $10M...?
    . He did...$14M from the Red Sox...

    Agent fail.
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    By going this route, he becomes a true free agent after the 2014 season -- without any possibility of a QO.

    He'll be 32 at the beginning of next season. Will he be able to get a multi-year deal? Will it help not to have the QO attached? Would a multi-year deal ease the pain of saying good-bye to $4 million?

    It really comes down to how you value that possibility of a multi-year contract. And, of course, if he has a bad year now, the loss of the $4 million becomes even more painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    . He did...$14M from the Red Sox...

    Agent fail.

    True, his client got less than accepting the deal 3 months ago. But Twins fail for not offering more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    By going this route, he becomes a true free agent after the 2014 season -- without any possibility of a QO.

    He'll be 32 at the beginning of next season. Will he be able to get a multi-year deal? Will it help not to have the QO attached? Would a multi-year deal ease the pain of saying good-bye to $4 million?

    It really comes down to how you value that possibility of a multi-year contract. And, of course, if he has a bad year now, the loss of the $4 million becomes even more painful.
    My understanding is he took 1/10 and will become a free agent but he could have taken 1/14 and become a free agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    True, his client got less than accepting the deal 3 months ago. But Twins fail for not offering more.
    What would you have offered, if you were the Twins? I was a Drew supporter, but his extended holdout (and re-signing with Boston weeks before the comp pick disappears) doesn't look good for him. At this point, it's pretty clear his demands were/are much too high for the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    My understanding is he took 1/10 and will become a free agent but he could have taken 1/14 and become a free agent.
    I've been confused by this and for the life of me, I google it and cannot find the effect of accepting a QO.

    If you accept and play-out the new 1 year contract, do you in fact become a free agent -- without the possibility of another QO at the end of the next year?

    Or, if you accept and play out the new 1 year contract, are you then again subject to another QO at the end of that year?

    Can someone find a definitive statement on this? I've been looking and simply can't find it.

    I did find an interesting Heyman article from February:
    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...egins-own-camp


    The part I found most interesting was this paragraph:

    At this point, some wonder whether Drew could become the first to lose money by opting out. His final outcome could depend on how spring training camps go at other Florida locales, in Tampa (Yankees), Ft. Myers (Red Sox), in Arizona and elsewhere.


    And now we know that the answer to that question is Yes - he became the first to lose $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    I've been confused by this and for the life of me, I google it and cannot find the effect of accepting a QO.

    If you accept and play-out the new 1 year contract, do you in fact become a free agent -- without the possibility of another QO at the end of the next year?

    Or, if you accept and play out the new 1 year contract, are you then again subject to another QO at the end of that year?

    Can someone find a definitive statement on this? I've been looking and simply can't find it.

    I did find an interesting Heyman article from February:
    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...egins-own-camp


    The part I found most interesting was this paragraph:

    At this point, some wonder whether Drew could become the first to lose money by opting out. His final outcome could depend on how spring training camps go at other Florida locales, in Tampa (Yankees), Ft. Myers (Red Sox), in Arizona and elsewhere.


    And now we know that the answer to that question is Yes - he became the first to lose $$$.
    From MLBTR (1:40 CST):


    The Red Sox have officially announced the re-signing of Stephen Drew to a one-year deal that is reportedly worth the pro-rated portion of the $14.1MM qualifying offer. In other words, the Scott Boras client will be paid roughly $10.1MM for the remainder of the 2014 season before again being eligible for free agency.



    While a pro-rated one-year deal is hardly an ideal scenario for Drew, the fact that he wonít be on Bostonís roster for the entire season means that heíll be ineligible to receive a qualifying offer next offseason, which should improve his chances of landing a strong multi-year deal considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    From MLBTR (1:40 CST): While a pro-rated one-year deal is hardly an ideal scenario for Drew, the fact that he won’t be on Boston’s roster for the entire season means that he’ll be ineligible to receive a qualifying offer next offseason, which should improve his chances of landing a strong multi-year deal considerably.

    So the implication of this would be that if he had accepted the QO, he would have been on the roster for the entire season and would then have been subject to the possibility of another QO (which is really what I was saying in my 1:39 p.m. post)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    So the implication of this would be that if he had accepted the QO, he would have been on the roster for the entire season and would then have been subject to the possibility of another QO (which is really what I was saying in my 1:39 p.m. post)?
    Yes. For example, Ervin Santana should expect another QO this winter from the Braves after his one-year deal is up. He could have avoided that by waiting a few more weeks to sign, but I suspect he didn't because the QO and comp pick isn't as big of a deal as it has been made out to be. It certainly does not appear to be the primary factor keeping Drew unsigned.

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    My understanding is that unless they've worked out an arrangement for no QO, a team and player can go year to year with QOs. That really isn't in the player's best interest unless the player knows they won't get that kind of cash on the FA market. Drew manages to skirt it b/c he hasn't been on the roster all season. I have a feeling no matter what he was going to do, he was going to sign with someone who would agree not to do a QO... He's marginal enough that this really hurt him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    By going this route, he becomes a true free agent after the 2014 season -- without any possibility of a QO.

    He'll be 32 at the beginning of next season. Will he be able to get a multi-year deal? Will it help not to have the QO attached? Would a multi-year deal ease the pain of saying good-bye to $4 million?

    It really comes down to how you value that possibility of a multi-year contract. And, of course, if he has a bad year now, the loss of the $4 million becomes even more painful.
    I would still say agent fail. If he had accepted Boston's initial QO, he'd have gotten $14m this year instead of $10m. He'll be a true FA this coming offseason, true, but the price for that is $4m cash, plus as you say the risk of injury or poor performance which would severely limit his future paydays.

    However, if he takes the QO last fall, he gets $14m this year, guaranteed. And, if Boston then gives him another QO this coming fall, he has the option to accept again, giving him in effect a two year deal covering 2014 and 2015 for ~$28m, not that far from the total cost of any 3 year deal he would have gotten this past offseason. If Boston doesn't give him a QO this fall, he's a true FA and can negotiate without a draft pick attached.

    IMO he would have been much better off accepting the QO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    I would still say agent fail. If he had accepted Boston's initial QO, he'd have gotten $14m this year instead of $10m. He'll be a true FA this coming offseason, true, but the price for that is $4m cash, plus as you say the risk of injury or poor performance which would severely limit his future paydays.

    However, if he takes the QO last fall, he gets $14m this year, guaranteed. And, if Boston then gives him another QO this coming fall, he has the option to accept again, giving him in effect a two year deal covering 2014 and 2015 for ~$28m, not that far from the total cost of any 3 year deal he would have gotten this past offseason. If Boston doesn't give him a QO this fall, he's a true FA and can negotiate without a draft pick attached.

    IMO he would have been much better off accepting the QO.
    Well, his agent is Boras who has usually been able to pull some magic out of his hat. It doesn't appear to have worked this time.

    But I don't think any player has ever accepted a QO. It will be really interesting to see if that changes this off-season. But it is also interesting to read that a large percentage of QO's have been offered by the Red Sox and Yankees.

    It'll be fun to see this issue develop before the next CBA negotiations.

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    10 million dollar loser. Can I have that job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeypaws View Post
    10 million dollar loser. Can I have that job?
    When you put it that way...sure beats being a 32,000 dollar loser #teachers #sadface #

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