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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Possible answer to the dilemma? Randy Johnson was coming back from a season-long injury back in the late 90s with the Mariners. It was only 6 games or so (one against the Twins), but Johnson was a game-changer in a role coming in in relief and dominating 3-4 middle innings in close games. Deduno is definitely a very good pitcher his first time or so through a lineup- no reason he couldn't try out that role for potentially up to twice a week or so. Most of Swarzak's long relief innings are in low-leverage situations. I think Deduno might be able to handle a slightly heavier load than that.
    Fair enough. Though, if we need 3-4 middle innings of relief twice a week or so, Deduno will find himself in the rotation again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Fair enough. Though, if we need 3-4 middle innings of relief twice a week or so, Deduno will find himself in the rotation again.
    True that. But then again, that's the point of having him already stretched out and ready to grab the reins of a SP role when/if the inevitable happens. As much as the SP's have been upgraded overall, it's still probably a fairly reasonable shot that one of the 5 sustains an injury or falters with a couple of consecutive clinkers between now and Meyer time. It would be comforting to know that someone capable, when fully healthy, of dominating in the short-term is less than a phone call away, already throwing to major leaguers.

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    Moving Deduno to the bullpen and giving Gibson the 5th spot makes sense for a few different reasons. Deduno is obviously good enough to be a starter or pitch out of the bullpen, but I like the depth that this move provides. The possibility of the starting rotation and bullpen both improving over last year is something I won't argue with.

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    I love the optimism in this thread, provided Diamond doesn't slip into that 5th spot. My initial reaction to Sammy going into the pen was mixed, because he was my favorite Twin last year...I love seeing opposing hitters shaking their heads going back to the dugout after another weak roller. But I like Gibson and he has thrown well this spring. He deserves a shot.

    Frankly, 5th starters don't get that many starts early in the season with the built-in off days, so Deduno may actually get more opportunity to show off his funky movement out of the pen. It's difficult as a fan to cheer for a long reliever to come into the game though, because it means our starter has been shelled.

    Anyway, as others have pointed out, the real message here is the impressive depth in starting pitching. Rotations just don't stay intact for a season...things happen. But now, rather than PJ Walters and Liam Hendricks lurking as potential fifth starters, we have Deduno and Meyer. What a positive development!

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    My reaction was more "only ​two"?
    Yeah, Cuellar has probably already had a talk with his all of his guys about the uniquely challenging work environment pitching behind a Twins rotation, and having enough gas in the tank for more than 3 outs if needed. All of them except the one with 44 career MLB starts, that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    it's still probably a fairly reasonable shot that one of the 5 sustains an injury or falters with a couple of consecutive clinkers between now and Meyer time.
    Yup. In addition to being utterly dominating, the Tiger starting 5 was also essentially bulletproof last season. Yet they still ended up giving 6 starts to something called Jose Alvarez.

    Deduno will probably see at least a half dozen starts this season unless the wheels fall completely off his wagon. Which is always a possibility for guys with wacky, seemingly unsustainable success relative to their peripherals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
    Yup. In addition to being utterly dominating, the Tiger starting 5 was also essentially bulletproof last season. Yet they still ended up giving 6 starts to something called Jose Alvarez.

    Deduno will probably see at least a half dozen starts this season unless the wheels fall completely off his wagon. Which is always a possibility for guys with wacky, seemingly unsustainable success relative to their peripherals.
    I'll take "something called" Samuel Deduno to pick up those here and there spot starts over the likes of who they trotted out last year, Pedro Hernandez, or this year's other likely emergency guys, Swarzak or Duensing, until of course, Deduno sustains his annual injury. By which time, I am hoping that Meyer is more than ready to claim a rotation spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    I'll take "something called" Samuel Deduno to pick up those here and there spot starts over the likes of who they trotted out last year, Pedro Hernandez, or this year's other likely emergency guys, Swarzak or Duensing, until of course, Deduno sustains his annual injury. By which time, I am hoping that Meyer is more than ready to claim a rotation spot.
    Look at the liked thing. Off topic, but does Best Steak House still have the $2.00 Ribeye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    Look at the liked thing. Off topic, but does Best Steak House still have the $2.00 Ribeye?
    Hey, as often as we are both on the same page, I'm buying! (But not Manny's or Murray's or Ruth's Chris..... Best Steak House for the Lunch Special? Why not? Do they have a bus to Target Field?)

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    I'm starting to see why Gardy was so angry at LaVelle for tweeting that Gibson was going to be the 5th starter. I'm starting to see a different conclusion here. I seems to me that the only thing that has been announced is that Deduno is going to start the year in the bullpen. With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers, it seems they may not think they need to carry a 5th starter in the early weeks because of the off dates. They can always do the Rochester shuttle when they finally need a 5th. If that means Gibson can stay sharp starting at Rochester, that's probably good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
    With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers.
    It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
    It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.
    Almost everyone will use at least 12 pitchers. It sometimes seems stupid to me, but that is the way the game is now. Setup guys only work in the eighth, closers only work the ninth, and many clubs employ a specialist. That said, the Twins added three reputed innings-eaters to their rotation and have no restrictions that I know of on any of their pitchers. That being the case, twelve pitchers should be plenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
    It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.
    12 pitchers you say? Scary times for Gardy. Scarier times still, for Pressly, Tonkin and T-Bar (maybe only 1 of 3 makes it, with Diamond as an RP?).

    Meanwhile, hope in the wind with 13 position players, for:

    Parmelee/Bartlett (both have now actually played some CF in ST, Gardy loves multiple utility guys), Hermann/Pinto, Hicks/Presley. 3 of 5 should make the bench joining Escobar, plus one of the two CF's being the starter. Did Bartlett's CF "Say Hey Kid" catch the other day cinch him the back-up role in CF? He's now played every non-battery position this spring except 1B and Groundscrewman. It's apparently still not known for sure if Bartlett has an opt-out on March 31. After trading Morneau to get Presley, it seems unlikely they would DFA him, no matter how uninspiring his play has been. I think they try to send Parmelee through waivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
    I'm starting to see why Gardy was so angry at LaVelle for tweeting that Gibson was going to be the 5th starter. I'm starting to see a different conclusion here. I seems to me that the only thing that has been announced is that Deduno is going to start the year in the bullpen. With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers, it seems they may not think they need to carry a 5th starter in the early weeks because of the off dates. They can always do the Rochester shuttle when they finally need a 5th. If that means Gibson can stay sharp starting at Rochester, that's probably good news.
    Barring rainouts, they will need a 5th starter on April 6, April 20 and April 26. Gibson building up his frequent flyer miles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Barring rainouts, they will need a 5th starter on April 6, April 20 and April 26. Gibson building up his frequent flyer miles?
    Maybe, or with the first 15 games being played in cold weather cities in this weird weather year, with rain/snow outs maybe they won't need a 5th starter at all the first three weeks. I'm just trying to figure out why Gardy had a conniption fit when LaVelle named Gibson as the 5th starter. The only statement the Twins have made is that Deduno will start the season in the BP, and the writers built a scenario around that. Makes it uncomfortable if they have to tell Gibson he is actually going down.

    I don't know what is going to happen, but I do know this. Gardy likes a big bullpen, especially in the early going when pitchers aren't fully stretched out yet, and I don't know the last time he has had only 7 to work with. Seems like enough to me, but Gardy sees a bullpen differently than I do. Secondly, I'm not sure they want Gibson sitting on the bench with a chance of starting one time before April 20 when he can be getting regular work down in Rochester. They could shuttle him on April 6, if needed, and then consider promoting him on the 20th. We'll have to see how this plays out.

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    If memory serves, the Twins have never started the season with a 13 man pitching staff, and since the advent of 5 man rotations have rarely started the season leaving the fifth starter off the roster (2010, I think).

    I believe they'll take a 12 man staff north, with five starters and seven in the pen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    If memory serves, the Twins have never started the season with a 13 man pitching staff, and since the advent of 5 man rotations have rarely started the season leaving the fifth starter off the roster (2010, I think).

    I believe they'll take a 12 man staff north, with five starters and seven in the pen.
    You are correct about last year, USAF...5 "starters" (including Worley, Devries and Hendricks...ouch!) and 7 relievers went north. But in 2012 they broke camp with 4 starters (Pavano, Liriano, Hendricks and Blackburn) and 8 relievers. Gardy could go either way this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
    Maybe, or with the first 15 games being played in cold weather cities in this weird weather year, with rain/snow outs maybe they won't need a 5th starter at all the first three weeks. .
    Actually, they will probably need a 5th starter if same series doubleheaders are popping up due to first game of the series cancellations...
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    GO K-Gib

    Hopefully, by mid-season or end of year.

    Our rotation is

    1. Gibson/ Meyer
    2. Nolasco
    3. Gibson / Meyer
    4. Hughes
    5. Pelfrey

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    It might be that there isn't a true #5 starter--simply a set of long-relief pitchers who spot start as needed. This allows flexibility for SP selection for that "5th spot" without having to make a lenghty explanation why one guy started instead of a different guy.

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