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    Based on Spring Training Results?

    Right or Wrong... I always believe that Spring Training numbers don't carry a ton of weight because I think the Front Office and Manager have a pretty good idea who is going North with the club before ST starts.

    But... In consideration of the battle for the #5 spot in the rotation.

    Thus far... Doesn't it appear that Deduno is in the pole position.

    Worley has struggled so far and Diamond hasn't been grabbing the spot with both hands.

    Plenty can happen between now and opening day. But...
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    Totally agree! I am surprised how good Deduno has been. I really didn't think he would be ready coming off the shoulder surgery. Not only has he been better, but I believe his upside is much higher than either of the other two.

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    I think the spot is Deduno's to lose at this point.

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    So far it's Deduno, still time for the other guys to give people something to think about though, which I have to think the team wants considering age and options.

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    I think they are going to put Deduno in the pen, and I'm not opposed to that. I think Gibson will have the 5th spot and who knows what will be of Diamond and Worley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownTwinsFan View Post
    I think they are going to put Deduno in the pen, and I'm not opposed to that. I think Gibson will have the 5th spot and who knows what will be of Diamond and Worley.
    You may be right... Deduno has been getting relief appearances thus far... Yet.. He is getting multiple innings which indicates stretching him out as well.
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    I would hope it's Deduno, but I think he'll be put in the 'pen to start the year. Once he's fully up to speed I would assume he'd be the first guy to takeover whatever SP spot opens up. I think Worley will be given the first chance at the 5 spot, and unless Diamond can fit in the 'pen too, he might be gone.

    I think they are going to have to lose (or risk losing) Worley or Diamond no matter which route they take.

    But I'd rather Gibson get the spot over anybody, regardless of "options," "performance in ST," etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    You may be right... Deduno has been getting relief appearances thus far... Yet.. He is getting multiple innings which indicates stretching him out as well.
    I think he's in the pen and only used as a starter sparingly, if a need arises. Really unsure about who the 5th will go to, but I just think it'll be Gibson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownTwinsFan View Post
    I think they are going to put Deduno in the pen, and I'm not opposed to that. I think Gibson will have the 5th spot and who knows what will be of Diamond and Worley.
    You may be right and I think that was the original thinking about Deduno. Now I think he may be showing enough health to grab the 5th spot which allows them to put the better of Diamond/Worley in the pen. I too hope Gibson starts the year in Minn but because he has options I am guessing he starts in Rochester

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    I think the idea that Gibson makes the rotation is based on hope. It's a hope I share but I don't see any scenario, barring a pile of injuries in two weeks, that makes that happen.

    I'm almost positive it will be Deduno with Worley going to the pen. To me, the question is if Diamond makes the pen too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I think the idea that Gibson makes the rotation is based on hope. It's a hope I share but I don't see any scenario, barring a pile of injuries in two weeks, that makes that happen.

    I'm almost positive it will be Deduno with Worley going to the pen. To me, the question is if Diamond makes the pen too.
    Agreed. I can't see a team with the most optimistic upside of being 81 wins giving up on guys with no options and possible trade value for a guy who has options/is on the team control clock.

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    Yeah, I think my Gibson at the 5th is more hope. If he's not on the team he's first in line when someone falters, Diamond or Worley. I just think Deduno throws too many pitches and will end up in the pen and stay there except for a spot start here and there. I don't think his shoulder will allow for more than that. Just my gut feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownTwinsFan View Post
    I think they are going to put Deduno in the pen, and I'm not opposed to that. I think Gibson will have the 5th spot and who knows what will be of Diamond and Worley.
    I don't know. He's not a guy you can bring in with guys on base because he can be wild and I think it takes him a few batters to settle in. In any event, he's not a good choice for high-leverage innings. I think its a much better approach to hand him the ball at the beginning of a game and let him do his thing for 100 pitches, however far that gets us. I did hear one of the Twins brass talking about how they don't like the fact that Deduno runs through his pitch count so fast that they worry about taxing the bullpen. Still, when he's on he is an elite pitcher so I hope they give him a chance at the rotation, and just take the good with the bad.

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    I'd take Deduno with no hesitation. He will give us a chance to win every game, IF, we can score runs. But I'm not impressed at all with this team this season. It's gonna be another long one.

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    My take on this is here, and I still think that Diamond is the old man out...
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    I agree that Deduno has been lights out this spring. But it's interesting that he has done all his work out of the pen to date. I wouldn't be surprised if they go north with Gibson in the five spot and Deduno as the swing man out of the pen, just to save his arm for later in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Makes him a decent candidate for a left-handed long reliever with the occasional spot start. I think that's where it could end up.
    Is he versatile enough to take up throwing southpaw at his age?

    Or, maybe you're saying that if Deduno's in the rotation, you want Diamond in the bullpen as his designated reliever?


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    I hope that Deduno goes to the pen and Gibson goes north as the 5th starter. Time to cut bait on Worley and Diamond

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halsey Hall View Post
    I'd take Deduno with no hesitation. He will give us a chance to win every game, IF, we can score runs. But I'm not impressed at all with this team this season. It's gonna be another long one.
    I think Deduno has all but earned a spot, but that Gibson can force him to the 'pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I agree that Deduno has been lights out this spring. But it's interesting that he has done all his work out of the pen to date. I wouldn't be surprised if they go north with Gibson in the five spot and Deduno as the swing man out of the pen, just to save his arm for later in the season.
    I'd be fine with this too. I think its almost likely that Gibson and Deduno spend some time in the pen this year.

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