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    Article: Buxton, Meyer, Sano Among 16 Sent to Minors Today


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    I thought Meyer and Buxton would have gotten a bit more time with the big league staff.

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    Kind of surprised about Meyer, but probably want to stretch him out since he won't get many starts in big league camp

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    It's a little disappointing because some of these guys were seemingly playing some of the better ball this spring and were fun to watch. It's understandable why they would send Kepler down (don't want to risk injury in camp now that he's on the 40 man) but he does seem to have found something more this spring -- hopefully he can transition that down to minor league camp as well.

    Buxton was struggling in ML camp, though. Nice that he got a big home run and could exit on a bit of a high note.

    Meyer is probably the most surprising to me just because he seems fairly close to the majors and isn't on the 40 man -- but they do have a lot of pitchers in camp that they are still "cycling through". (And apparently things like that rain out the other day can really throw the schedule off).

    And I suppose they need catchers for the minor league operation to run well, too. Glad they had the opportunity to work with Steinbach -- was a great addition to the coaching staff.
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    I don't think that there were many surprises here. For me the biggest surprises in the list of cuts are Pino and Oliveros who I thought might get a change to win a spot, as well as Raley whom I thought that the Twins would want to see more of, because they gave him a 40-man roster spot (which is now in serious jeopardy)

    I think that (for me) the biggest message from these first cuts was by the one player on the 40-man without MLB experience who was not cut: Danny Santana. Having Santana around means that the Twins are not ready to hand the starting SS job to Florimon, and this is good news, because I think that both Santana and Escobar are better players overall than Florimon. And Santana is older than Arcia and just younger than Pinto and Hicks, so he is not too young to come up North...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    I think that (for me) the biggest message from these first cuts was by the one player on the 40-man without MLB experience who was not cut: Danny Santana. Having Santana around means that the Twins are not ready to hand the starting SS job to Florimon, and this is good news, because I think that both Santana and Escobar are better players overall than Florimon.
    Great point since Santana is on the 40 man and there is a little risk there.

    But I also wonder if this is just an acknowledgment that Florimon may not be fully back from his appendix operation. I know he has started infield drills but it isn't clear when he'll be in games.

    I just don't know if it's as big of an indicator as you may wish although Gardenhire clearly does have some liking for Santana.

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    Santana is in the starting lineup for the Twins today. I suspect he will just get his walking papers after the game or Monday morning. Florimon is getting in full workouts now and there are enough other SSs still around to cover the position for another day or two until he's ready for games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    Santana is in the starting lineup for the Twins today. I suspect he will just get his walking papers after the game or Monday morning. Florimon is getting in full workouts now and there are enough other SSs still around to cover the position for another day or two until he's ready for games.
    Exactly. Santana is insurance for Florimon. Though, with Florimon now doing more,I think that concern is lessened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Exactly. Santana is insurance for Florimon. Though, with Florimon now doing more,I think that concern is lessened.
    Or heightened, depending on your point of view.

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    By the way, just a point to make, but I'm quite glad the Twins didn't add Sano to the 40 man last year for a Sept call up. This move would have cost a year's worth of service time on top of the option that would be exercised when he returns from TJS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    By the way, just a point to make, but I'm quite glad the Twins didn't add Sano to the 40 man last year for a Sept call up. This move would have cost a year's worth of service time on top of the option that would be exercised when he returns from TJS.
    Maybe something to keep in mind in the event that Buxton doesn't force his way up to the Twins before September. In that case, it may be just as likely that the Twins don't call him up in September, either, just as they held off on Sano a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    Meyer is probably the most surprising to me just because he seems fairly close to the majors and isn't on the 40 man -- but they do have a lot of pitchers in camp that they are still "cycling through". (And apparently things like that rain out the other day can really throw the schedule off).

    And I suppose they need catchers for the minor league operation to run well, too. Glad they had the opportunity to work with Steinbach -- was a great addition to the coaching staff.
    I get the impression that Meyer still needs to work on being more artful with his heater. If batters can tell when he's about to unload a fastball, then maybe the answer is to learn how to add/subtract from the velocity, how to vary the grip a little, vary the placement, etc. The margin of error for hitting a line drive is about the thickness and length of a pencil. When they say "pitch to contact," what they mean of course is that the bat can hit the ball, but the ball misses the pencil-sized area in the center of the sweet spot. Kind of amazing how often a good hitter can hit the ball on the pencil.

    A guy like Meyer has spent years learning how to throw a baseball with just the right mechanics to send a mid- to upper-90's heater to a very small target. Now he has to learn the next level of control, the little shades of variation that will put his heater in slightly different spots that batters have trouble squaring up on. Batters spend years learning to time a nice, consistent fastball. Even a power pitcher like Meyer has to learn to mix things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo92107 View Post
    I get the impression that Meyer still needs to work on being more artful with his heater.
    I'm sure it is about mixing up his pitches.

    This was a pretty good little piece from Berardino: http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/20...round-of-cuts/

    “Big leaguers hit fastballs,” Gardenhire said. “They’re going to hit it. You’ve got to use everything. You’ve got to be able to change speeds, slow it down a little bit and use that breaking ball to get them off the fastball.”

    It was more of a personal hope from me about getting to see him a little longer in big league camp. But I do recognize that they are trying to weed through a lot of pitchers and he wasn't going to break camp with them so why not send him down.

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    Santana - He is going to get a chance this Spring. Florimon had an appendectomy less than 4 weeks ago.
    He's not ready and he won't be ready for games for a week or two at least. And we all know Florimon is not all that good. Santana has at least as good defensive tools as Florimon and he is a way better hitter today.

    I think Santana should get a shot at making the Twins out of camp and at the very least remove guys like Bernier from Rochester. Unless Santana starts failing in spring, if he starts the year at AA it would be a huge slap in the face for the guy.

    He's done all they asked him to do, work on his Walks and work on his consistency. If they block him because of Brernier it would be the wrong thing to do for his development.

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    He's not ready and he won't be ready for games for a week or two at least. And we all know Florimon is not all that good. Santana has at least as good defensive tools as Florimon and he is a way better hitter today.
    Florimon is going through full workouts already, and he is expected to play in games within a week, according to Rob Antony yesterday. Still not a given that he'll be ready, but it isn't a given he won't be either.

    He may be a better hitter today, though in big league games, I don't think the difference would be too significant yet.

    Unless Santana starts failing in spring, if he starts the year at AA it would be a huge slap in the face for the guy.
    Why? Because he's making a good impression and had a few good spring games? He's too good of a prospect to do anything other than what is best for him, regardless of who is above him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Florimon is going through full workouts already, and he is expected to play in games within a week, according to Rob Antony yesterday. Still not a given that he'll be ready, but it isn't a given he won't be either.

    He may be a better hitter today, though in big league games, I don't think the difference would be too significant yet.



    Why? Because he's making a good impression and had a few good spring games? He's too good of a prospect to do anything other than what is best for him, regardless of who is above him.
    Maybe, you know more than me on these guys. But the Twins track record on developing SS prospects is spotty at best, so I don't have a lot of confidence in the decision makers.
    Regarding Florimon and his time schedule:
    But from Tom Powers article today:

    "Yes, if he (Pedro) comes back healthy," he (Gardy) said. "There's questions on how long is he going to be out. He actually took an infield (session) yesterday, didn't do anything today. He hasn't done much."
    I will be surprised if he is ready to go full out for abit.

    I think Santana is a super interesting prospect and does not get enough credit. His speed is great, his arm is great, his range is great. He has big OB% & SO issues.

    But if he has shown the team that he has worked on what they wanted him to do over winter and at Spring Training, to send him back to AA is not how you develop talent.
    Especially since the org has big MI issues.

    Its not pushing or rushing a 23 year old prospect who spent the entire previous year at AA and performed adequately. Unless he shows he did not develop, to force him to repeat is just holding him back.

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    I will be surprised if he is ready to go full out for abit.
    That's the question. And as I've said, adn I'll stand behind it, if Florimon isn't ready, I think Santana gets the starting gig for a week or two until Florimon is ready.

    I think Santana is a super interesting prospect and does not get enough credit.
    I completely agree that he's a super interesting prospect. I have really liked him since I saw his first game in Beloit three years ago. Love his tools. Still wonder a lot about his defense and his plate discipline. The Twins have been up front about those two things as well.

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