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    Ryan has to rebuild more than the Twins. He needs to have winning teams at the minor league as well. If Johnson works out for the major league team, great. If he ends up AAAA filler, that is a good thing, too. Look at the filler that was brought in last couple of years. I hope he is an upgrade from that.

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    I don't see the consternation with a guy like Johnson. He's not even taking up a 40 man spot. I would assume that the Twins saw something in him they felt they could tweak. I wouldn't expect him to suddenly be an ace, but hard throwing lefties are hard to find, and if the Twins think that they can do something with him in exchange for a year at Rochester, I'm quite fine with that.

    Johnson will only be pitching in Minnesota this year for the following reasons:

    1) He forces it, and everyone will be happy.
    2) There were A LOT of injuries/ineffectiveness this year.

    I'm not sure I'd call this a "crazy depth" situation, but Johnson is still a better starting option than several of the options that got way too much time starting last season. There are several guys on the 40 man who would be promoted ahead of him, and I'd imagine that they'd add Meyer to the 40 man before they add Johnson as well.

    Johnson is a low risk guy with a potential reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    The depth may be "crazy" but is it even "decent"? I for one certainly do not think so.
    Throughout the entire organization? I've followed the Twins for a long time, and I don't recall them ever having the kind of pitching they have now. We are quite removed from the days of having Dan Serafini, Ryan Mills, or Nick Blackburn as our top pitching prospect.

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    At minimum, he's a better option than Diamond, who needs to be so fine with his control that he is highly unlikely to have sustained success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeypaws View Post
    Throughout the entire organization? I've followed the Twins for a long time, and I don't recall them ever having the kind of pitching they have now. We are quite removed from the days of having Dan Serafini, Ryan Mills, or Nick Blackburn as our top pitching prospect.
    To be fair, I reread your quote and I would've never assumed you were referencing prospects as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    To be fair, I reread your quote and I would've never assumed you were referencing prospects as well.
    Well, seeing as we were talking about a prospect, I assumed....

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    So now the Twins start the year with a whole bunch of mediocre pitchers. Is a .500 season their lofty goal?

    Hurraymeh. Wowmeh. Yippeemeh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo92107 View Post
    So now the Twins start the year with a whole bunch of mediocre pitchers. Is a .500 season their lofty goal?

    Hurraymeh. Wowmeh. Yippeemeh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeypaws View Post
    Well, seeing as we were talking about a prospect, I assumed....
    29 year old journeymen aren't prospects.

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    The sooner the Twins stop bothering with zero upside roster fill like Bartlett, Kubel, Diamond, Fryer, and Worley and replace them with guys like Hicks, Gibson, Arcia, Pinto, and Santana, the sooner I believe they are commited to this rebuild. Losing another 90+ games with Kubel and crew makes ZERO sense. They have neglected the major league roster to save money three years in a row, its time to move this thing forward NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I don't see the consternation with a guy like Johnson. He's not even taking up a 40 man spot.
    Actually, Johnson is on the 40-man roster.

    Perhaps you are confusing him with Gilmartin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    Actually, Johnson is on the 40-man roster.

    Perhaps you are confusing him with Gilmartin?
    If he's the guy we got from Atlanta, yes!

    Sorry Leviathan, my confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeypaws View Post
    If he's the guy we got from Atlanta, yes!

    Sorry Leviathan, my confusion.
    No, that's ok. If your point was that we have crazy depth in our farm compared to the last decade you have my complete agreement.

    Using Johnson as the springboard was why I think your quote was misleading. Makes much more sense now and is absolutely spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    Ryan has to rebuild more than the Twins. He needs to have winning teams at the minor league as well. If Johnson works out for the major league team, great. If he ends up AAAA filler, that is a good thing, too. Look at the filler that was brought in last couple of years. I hope he is an upgrade from that.
    Well last year Rochester, Ft. Myers, and Cedar Rapids made the playoffs. Cedar Rapids and Ft. Myers were also two of the best teams in their leagues. I don't remember how Elizabethton or the GCL teams did though. I would say Mr. Ryan is doing a good job on building winning teams in the minor leagues.
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    Isn't the proper function of minor league teams producing hopefully good MLB players and not winning necessarily if at all?

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    There's no doubt that development is the primary function of the minor leagues, but I'm really not sure you want to impress upon your developing players that winning isn't as important as building up individual stats is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    Isn't the proper function of minor league teams producing hopefully good MLB players and not winning necessarily if at all?
    Minor league teams change their affiliations periodically to address perceived indifference by their major league counterparts. Do you want to be the GM that gets stuck with the substandard facilities1 that your players will hate at the AAA site in Las Vegas, because every other AAA owner said no thanks to you? We nearly lost Rochester a few seasons ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    ...Obviously Johnson's not going to make the Opening Day roster, but depth is a good thin.
    Nice Freudian slip there, Seth.

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    If your system is stacked with good prospects, then winning will be a part of the picture, especially at the lower levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    Isn't the proper function of minor league teams producing hopefully good MLB players and not winning necessarily if at all?
    If you have good players you are going to win, so it kind of goes hand in hand.
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