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    I've never been overly interested in De Aza, but the more I think about it, the more I think it would pay off if the asking price isn't too steep. He's a leadoff hitter and can play CF. That's the kind of guy who has inflated trade value at the deadline, perhaps not as much at the moment. Plenty of teams are willing to give a young or out-of-position guy a shot early in the season, but when the pennant race heats up.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    As for Parmelee!!! He's not a concern in RF. He can play the position. He played it above average last year. He struggling to hit in the majors... I get that but he played a damn nice OF last year!

    I don't understand why some keep trying to hang him as a defensive question mark. I watched 90 percent of the games last year and not once did Parm disappoint me in the field and I'm a defense guy... I'm typically hard on average defense... Not just below average defense.
    I hope that Parmellee's offense picks up to his AAA type numbers if he isn't learning a new position. I'm less concerned with his ability to hit the cut off and play the bounce off the wall than I am with his range. It was ok, but not great. With Willingham in LF that leaves acres of real estate to cover via CF. I have been one to have doubts about his outfield defense because it's not his natural position as far as I know. I hope he proves me foolish for doubting him.

    Like you say , we're inch deep at CF and De Aza would solidify CF with certainty and if Hicks can't figure it out, it'll be ok, if Buxton needs tommy john surgery it'll be ok, if both Hicks and Buxton pan out, you have valuable trade pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudcat14 View Post
    No thanks. He's 29 and has regressed as his playing time and experience have increased. He struck out 147 times last season. We don't need that kind of man in our lives. We're better off giving Hicks the job and seeing once and for all if he can be counted on. He may not hit DeAza's robust .264. But give Aaron the 602 AB's the White Sux gave DeAza last year, and Hicks won't do any worse.
    Concur.

    And De Aza will be 30 in April, BTW.
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    Twins Pursuing De Aza

    The Twins are interested in White Sox outfielder Alejandro De Aza and I think it makes a great deal of sense for them. The organization lacks any immediate help in centerfield and it would be great to grab a player who's had some success starting there. 2013 was a down year for De Aza, and with his stock lower and shrunken role in Chicago (due to Adam Eaton's acquisition), the Twins can get a decent player for cheap.

    Logically speaking, a move like this would end both Darin Mastroianni's and Wilkin Ramirez's chances of making the 25 man roster. The outfield depth would theoretically be more balanced between corner guys and centers. Would likely result in a group of De Aza, CF Presley, Parmelee, Arcia, Willingham, (and possibly Kubel).

    Sourced from HBT's Bill Baer
    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...jandro-de-aza/
    Last edited by YourHouseIsMyHouse; 03-09-2014 at 09:58 PM.

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    Anyone have a clue what the Sox are looking for in return? That sort of makes or breaks this for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Anyone have a clue what the Sox are looking for in return? That sort of makes or breaks this for me.
    I couldn't tell you, but again I can't imagine much. Clearly they think they are okay with the outfield, so possibly some infielders to compliment 1B Jose Abreu or starting pitching. Another reason they are trading him would have to be because they aren't comfortable paying 4.25 million for a bench player. If we could exchange Diamond, Worley, or Deduno that would be great.
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    If the price is right I'm in, what are the Sox looking to fill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    If the price is right I'm in, what are the Sox looking to fill?
    The Twins have four soft-tossing lefty starters, one of whom is out of options!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    The Twins have four soft-tossing lefty starters, one of whom is out of options!
    Yes, I realize that but your assuming the Sox would take any of them for De Aza. I'd move any of them for him if they would, don't really see it from their perspective though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Yes, I realize that but your assuming the Sox would take any of them for De Aza. I'd move any of them for him of they would, don't really see it from their perspective though.
    Brian Duensing is the obvious guy to trade.

    (I'm so going to miss Duensing when he leaves)

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    I'm assuming the Sox would be looking for a B or C prospect as part of save face salary dump. A little bit like the Twins did with Hardy. It's not really important who the prospect is but it seems that they have kind of decided that De Aza isn't going to be on the team next season.

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    I don't get this. How is he better than Presley or Mastroianni? The Twins have three center fielders for two spots on the roster. They have a top prospect who will be waiting for an opportunity within the next year. Why do they need another one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I don't get this. How is he better than Presley or Mastroianni? The Twins have three center fielders for two spots on the roster. They have a top prospect who will be waiting for an opportunity within the next year. Why do they need another one?
    Presley is a below replacement level centerfielder and Mastroianni has never had more than 200 PAs in a season. De Aza has had 2 good seasons out of 3 and has looked good this spring if that means anything. Alejandro is also able to OPS above .700. If we can get rid of one of the many excess pitchers currently in the logjam, it makes a lot of sense.

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    I don't think that De Aza (who has been in decline other than his power numbers) will be any improvement over Hicks at this point on both sides of the ball. Plus he hits left-handed and the Twins are full of LH hitters at this point.

    Plus, for principle's sake, you do not trade with the enemy before the season starts. July and August might be a different story, if you are out of it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Brian Duensing is the obvious guy to trade.

    (I'm so going to miss Duensing when he leaves)
    I thought Duensing was a requirement for any trade to bring in top level talent into this organization...

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    Forget the depth or lack there of. De Aza isn't very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    Forget the depth or lack there of. De Aza isn't very good.
    He's competing against Parmelee, Presley, Mastro, Ramirez, Kubel, etc... He looks pretty good compared to them and even if Hicks or Buxton are in CF this year it would be nice to have a rangy OF'er in LF that can hit some.

    The key is not giving up any significant talent and taking him as a salary dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    Forget the depth or lack there of. De Aza isn't very good.
    He's not going to be an all-star but he is a pretty solid major leaguer. I view him as basically a lesser Denard Span (more power, less average, less speed at the plate)

    It should be noted, that even with his "down year" last season, De Aza would have had the third highest WAR on the WHOLE team last year.

    In 2012 He would have had the 5th highest on the team, in 2011 he would have tied for 2nd.

    Again, De Aza isn't some all-star player, but he certainly is a nice player (even if he eventually gets moved to LF) and for a team like the Twins they absolutely positively should be looking to bring in a cheap player like him, assuming you don't have to give up much to get him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I don't get this. How is he better than Presley or Mastroianni?
    Because De Aza has proven to be a legit (if not great) starting CF in major league baseball?
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    I would love this:
    DH Willingham
    LF Arcia
    CF De Aza
    RF Hicks

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