10-25-2013, 12:25 AM #1
Article: Free Agent Pitcher Profile: Ubaldo Jimenez
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10-25-2013, 05:13 AM #2
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I would do 3/52$, but giving up the draft pick kills it for me
10-25-2013, 07:01 AM #3
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I think Jimenez is worth the risk. The Twins needs a veteran "ace" and he fits the bill, even with the risk. I'm not sure he would be the leader in the clubhouse like they would like, but I also don't know that he won't.
The Twins need to make a committment to starting pitching and it will probably be somewhat risky in order to get the pitcher with the upside that they will be looking for and need. Jimenez fits that bill. Now, the key is really, how does he turn out. We need him to be very successful!
10-25-2013, 07:31 AM #4
I think it's a stretch for Ryan to pay for any of these guys but I think it's a giant stretch to expect him to give up a draft pick as well. I just don't see him going after Ubaldo.
10-25-2013, 08:27 AM #5
10-25-2013, 08:36 AM #6
Back when qualifying offers were thrown out like candy and there were 10+ supplemental picks every season, it's wasn't such a big deal. Yeah, the Twins might lose a second round pick but they probably had at least one supplemental pick coming back from another player. That is no longer the case.
10-25-2013, 09:35 AM #7
Twins GM Terry Ryan says his team would give up its 2014 second-round pick to sign a free agent who received a qualifying offer, 1500ESPN.com's Darren Wolfson writes (on Twitter). The Twins' first-rounder, at No. 5 overall, is protected
10-25-2013, 09:38 AM #8
Ubaldo is the perfect target for the Twins, he is high risk, high reward, and if he pitches to his potential you basically get a 100 million dollar pitcher for about half the price.
I'd offer him 3/40 to start out with, and go up to 4/56 if nesc
10-25-2013, 09:55 AM #9
10-25-2013, 10:08 AM #10
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MLB Trade Rumors has him pegged for 3/$39. If the Twins truly had trouble getting FA to look at them seriously, then they need to make a "I will not get outbid"-type of offer. Something in the 4 year range and $16-18M will be what it takes to get him here. There is so much room in the budget, that even if a mistake were made and he is more of 4.50-5.00ERA guy, the Twins could survive. So much of the future is riding on prospects and they are cheap for most of the first 3-4 years. There is room in the budget, so let's get it done!
10-25-2013, 11:18 AM #11
And to the point of the previous poster, it's a lot more valuable pick than in previous years where compensatory picks were handed out like candy on Holloween. It's also looking like a very good draft.
But you are quoting Wolfson correctly...
Darren Wolfson @DarrenWolfson24 Oct
Terry Ryan confirmed to me that he would sacrifice his 2nd rd pick to sign a FA. Still seems like a long-shot. Maybe Ervin Santana. #mntwins
Per the ESPN1500 inteview:
Would you give up your 2nd round pick to sign a free-agent?
If he's good.
Really? That surprises me.
Sure, if he's good. Depends on who it is and longevity and age and all that stuff. I don't think there's a club that wouldn't give up a second-rounder to get quality back, and longevity.
That means you'll have to spend some money. As you know, the richest outside free-agent contract you've given out is 3-years/$21M to Willingham. If you sign a guy who has been tendered, you'll crush that contract. Prepared to do that?
Depends who it is. I have flexibility with payroll.
The rest of the interview is worth reading for other topics and overall context.
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10-25-2013, 11:57 AM #12
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Cleveland went over budget last season. I dont see them offering a qualified offer. So we should be good to go without losing the draft pick. He is one of the pitchers I can see Minnesota signing.
10-25-2013, 12:04 PM #13
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I'm curious, but would you trade a 2nd round pick for a proven MLB starter if you could? If not, why not? I'm told that the Twins aren't good because it is hard to pick late in round 1.....and that often those players don't work out. If that is true, isn't it more true of 2nd round picks?
Why would you want the uncertainty of a 2nd round pick, that is years away, rather than the certainty of a proven MLB player?*
*I ask this in principle, not in this exact case.Lighten up Francis....
10-25-2013, 12:04 PM #14
10-25-2013, 12:05 PM #15
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People make way too big of a deal out 2nd rd picks. Yes, it's nice to get another pick but I would trade an overwhelming majority of the picks (#20-75) the Twins have made in the last 7 years for a 3-4 years of a guy like Ubaldo.
10-25-2013, 12:09 PM #16
Would you pay that for a 30-year-old who was an ace this season, but mostly a disaster in the two years preceding?
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10-25-2013, 01:46 PM #19
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10-25-2013, 02:21 PM #20
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Also the best thing about someone like Ubaldo is the number of years required to sign him won't be too long. He will likely get a 3 or at most 4 year deal. The dollars won't be prohibitive with their budget regardless of how much he makes per season. I agree with the 3 year 39 million assesment. Maybe the Twins can tack on an option year with a 3 million buyout to increase the cash guarentee to get him signed.
Note: I am indifferent on who they sign this offseason as long as we are seeing progress towards the future (seeing our prospects advance) I don't care what they do this offseason in terms of quick fixes as i do not see us being competetive the next 2 seasons.