The Terry Ryan upgrade in starting pitching has improved the Twins to the point that there are going to be at least 25 more games where the QS stat comes into play- which means many more winnable games and less dependence on the bullpen to win those games- I have no clue where you are coming up with your stats, they don't make any sense in this analysis-- Matt Garza has a career OPS + of 108- how are Steven Drew and Michael Young "replacement parts"- adding these 2 (or Hardy), helps raise the offense from "punchless" to "viably competitive". And....the easiest area to upgrade a team is in the bullpen- just look at what TR did in the 2011-12 offseason- and look at all the arms still available now. The Twins also have multiple options knocking at the door.
In addition, how is moving Burton, who was injured last year, and either Duensing or Swarzak, "gutting" the bullpen? In regards to Perk, the question of trading him at his maximum value, in order to upgrade the team overall, has to come into question here.
The Twins have more than enough pitching depth and up-and-coming prospects (May, Jones, Worley, Meyer [think Gausman here], Tonkin, Deduno [when healthy], Darnell, Ibarra) to absorb the losses and go with their current pitching depth chart- or even go outside the roster for a Fien or Burton-type on the super-cheap, they are likely to deliver similar results to the RPs they lose, for just a fraction of the cost.
Back to the thread, Florimon is the only Twins that has shown over his career that he is a plus defensive player. There is hope for Dozier to be above average, but he needs to to another step in that direction this year.
Agree on Florimon, but the Twins need to explore various ways to upgrade the offense. Right now, through FA, SS is one of the most obvious ways to do so- and having both Drew and Flo-mo is one way to achieve that goal.
I'd rather see the Twins trade for JJ Hardy than sign Drew.
I'd like to see the Twins trade for the next Juan Segura, Everth Cabrera or Didi Gregorius, all of whom were signed by a different team than the team they're now playing for.
I never said they were going to deal Swarzak and Duensing to the Orioles. I proposed that the Twins fill the needs that the O's actually have. And in your own fantasy, you conveniently left out Burton from your equation- $3.25M this year, and a little long in the tooth- they can replace Burton fairly easily from within at near the minimum. And yes, there's a fighting chance that what the Twins have coming up can replace what Swarzak and Duensing have to offer at the minimum- especially in a bullpen that won't need a mop-up guy like Swarzak as much, and with likely better lefties than Duensing in waiting.
If you care to re-read my trade proposal less selectively, the O's would clear Hardy's ~$10M off their books (due in 2014 through already-achieved incentives) and pick up Correia @ $5.5M. The Twins would likely have to pick up another of their expendables in the OF to clear more $$$s for the Os and clear another roster spot if they want to sign both a FA pitcher and bat. To make the trade more interesting, they could take a run at Weiters in a package deal (due ~$8M in arb in 2014), probably costing them Perkins, freeing up $5M more for the O's. Throw in an Oriole prospect and a Twins prospect and/or Hammer (Rosario?) and you have yourself a blockbuster offseaon deal that appears win-win.
There are only 2 high priced relievers in the Twins bullpen, Burton and Perkins. And now you are up to two to three top players for fringe players and relievers.
I find it fascintating people want to trade for players, but are afraid to give up a 2nd round pick for a proven player.
You can save a thousand runs on defense but if you don't score they don't matter. This club was constantly playing from behind last year. They cannot afford to punt every 3rd inning when the 7-9 batters come up. Those at-bats are guaranteed. Having the opportunity to field a hard ground ball to the 5 hole with men on base, is not a guaranteed situation.
Yes you did. Let me help you out on solving your mystery. You casually brushed aside the most major FA SP upgrade since Jack Morris in signing Garza as merely, "adding a starting pitcher."Quote:
whatever. I never mentioned Garza. Where you get Garza out of that I a real mystery to me.
Gut the offense? My proposal will radically strengthen the offense, which is what I have been advocating since the day they showed their intentions for finally spending money on quality FAs by signing Nolasco. Please refer back to the potential offensive batting stats from my proposed lineup- huge increase in overall OPS at the bottom and middle of the order. Drew, your OPS+ 98 career hitter, bats nearly .890 OPS against RHP, coupled with Florimon's favorable numbers against LHP, you have near a combined league-best average at the SS position- that is the very opposite definition of "gutting"- and also not hurting the SS defense in a platoon scenario.Quote:
I mentioned the numbers Twins would have to post if you continue to gut the offense and trade away the pullpen.
Trade away the bullpen? Right now, the Twins most valuable trading chip besides the uber-prospects, is Glen Perkins. To get a further boost on offense in a trade bigger than just the SS for Correia trade, it might require considering a more blockbuster trade opportunity and then finding an internal solution for replacing Perkins....we have many, many options to do just that....or the Twins can just sign Drew, Young and Garza and trade the higher-priced relievers and keep Perkins, as I also proposed as an option, and rely on our vast depth in potential relievers from our excess starters and our up-and-coming-knocking-on-the-door potential relievers... which I also thoroughly catalogued.
There is no "gutting" in my proposal.
Duensing is scheduled to make $2M and we have better LHP options for a lot less $$$ (check his lefty-lefty split in 2013, not good). Burton is long in the tooth and also replaceable for less.Quote:
There are only 2 high priced relievers in the Twins bullpen, Burton and Perkins. And now you are up to two to three top players for fringe players and relievers
Drew is not a fringe player.
Hardy is not a fringe player.
Garza is not a fringe player.
Young is not a fringe player.
Weiters is not a fringe player.
Reynolds or Betemit in a platoon scenario would maximize their offensive value and minimize their downside.
You might have to provide salary relief to the O's by picking up one of their excess OFers to help them clear roster space to add an extra free agent. So what.
If Willingham would be involved in a trade involving Weiters, the trade is a wash, and might cost you a prospect like Rosario and/or Pinto.