Where do you stash the other 2? Deduno you stash on the DL till June/July. Diamond will not go through waivers... It will not be a great loss by any means (you got Kris Johnson who is at least comparable if not better, and Logan Darnell, and Pat Dean -not on the 40-man, in AAA if need.)
Where it might get really interesting (and I hope it does) is if Meyer and/or Gibson have a phenomenal spring training...
I don't see Swarzak getting another shot at starting with this roster. Too many guys in front of him, too much success in the bulllpen.
But these are just gut feelings. There are at least a dozen ways this could play out by the end of March.
Having DeDuno, Gibson, Albers, Diamond, Worley, Swarzak being discussed as the #5 pitcher, instead of being discussed as the #1,#2,#3 and #4 pitchers is a nice problem to suddenly have.
Well, I actually tink Gibson could be the third best pitcher on the roster, maybe Worley. We are discussing who will be the 5th known starter, not 5th best starter, right?
It is a lot more rewarding to think that someone might have to be dropped despite pitching well than to think about how to scrape together enough pitching to make it through the season. It could still go to h*ll in a handbasket but at least I feel like the Twins have tried to put together a rotation worthy of the term "major league pitching staff".
I'll go with:
Worley (mostly because I feel like we never got to appreciate his "Vanimal" side)
I'm really hoping the Twins don't screw around with stretching out Duensing and Swarzak. I like the chance that one of Worley, Deduno, Diamond, Albers, or Gibson performs well. Why add two other guys to the mix when we've already seen they can't succeed as starters? Just be happy that they've found nice niches in the bullpen.
I think JB_Iowa's list of Nolasco/Hughes/Pelfrey/ Correia/Worley is as reasonable a prediction as any. With Gibson, K Johnson, Albers in the minors and Deduno on the DL. Not sure where that leaves Diamond, not sure how much I really care.
Deduno, hands down. Then Diamond. Then Gibson. Then Worley. Then Albers.
Most would bet on Correia in the opening day roster, whether they want him there or not. Based onsmall sample size, the Twins do not have much of a history of trading free agents mid-contract.
I would bet they put Deduno on the 60-day DL. I think he would have to make the 25-manroster first, which means they would have to option someone first.
Let Worley and Diamond battle it out in spring training. Hopefully they both shine and JR can flip onefor a building block. They are both somewhat fringie and coming off a bad year after elbow surgery. The thing is there is no better place to hidethem. Swarzak appears to be a better long reliever and most do not want him starting. I don’t think Diamond does not have the splits suitable for a LHP reliever. And wishcasting here, I hope the Twins go to a 6-man bullpen so they can have a 5-man bench with only 1 and a fraction catchers on it.
If the Twins do go with a 7-man bullpen, do they need two long relievers? I don’t think so. I would rather get Tonkin’s feet wet. The Twins will probably option Tonkin and Pressly, then keep the Diamond/Worley runner up in the 7-man pen (unless the runner-up shines or flops in spring training).
Of course, both Diamond and Worley can flop in spring training.
I’m guessing Nolasco, Hughes, Pelfrey, Correia, and Worley.
Gibson, Myers, May, Albers, and Johnson are ticketed for Rochester.
for those that think Worley and Diamond are the same player.....go to Fangraphs, do compare, and take into account Worley was hurt last year and get back to me. They were close in 2012, but there is NO comparison in 2011. And they both stunk it up last year. Worley has some stuff, Diamond is a long reliever, imo.
I know it's very unlikely, but how about a 6th man rotation for the 2014 season? Start two of the three ( Deduno, Diamond, or Worley). And put the other one in the bullpen as the long relief or AAA?
Worley's game is about getting the inside strike called on a sinker that starts at the LHB and nicks the inside corner. That's how he got half his strikeouts in the NL. That stuff doesn't work in the AL when you just touch 90. Often last year, the pitches that he had been getting backwards Ks on were either called balls or ended up in the seats. If he wasn't getting his backwards Ks, he was getting pounded. I'm not impressed.
Diamond has been able to get more swing-and-misses over his career: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...yers=6435,5089Quote:
for those that think Worley and Diamond are the same player.....go to Fangraphs, do compare, and take into account Worley was hurt last year and get back to me.
Admittedly Worley's approach -- which you can read about here: http://twinsdaily.com/entry.php/2247...innesota-Twins -- involves finesse and, because of the loose bodies in his elbow, he was unable to demonstrate the same command as he did in 2011. It's possible he reemerges.
It seems to me that Deduno's health is the wild card. If he's healthy, I think he has a big lead in the competition for the 5th spot. That would probably mean that either Diamond or Worley is in the bullpen and the other is on waivers.
If Deduno goes to the DL, I'd guess both Worley and Diamond make the roster as 5th starter and long reliever.
I can't see Swarzak or Duensing being moved into the rotation and I don't think there is any way that Meyer makes the team out of ST. That leaves Gibson to go to AAA and wait for a spot. I appreciate what Albers did last year, but he is a AAA lifer that gets a few starts when a team has injuries.
All I know is that one was very good in 2011, one was ok in 2011, regardless of how they got those results. I suppose one could argue (as I believe cmat did very well) that it is not repeatable. Maybe it is that I've seen Diamond, and am not a believer, and I never saw the healthy Worely, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Either way, we'll see over the next couple of years I guess.
Deduno will be on the 60-day DL and Worley will be named the 5th starter. Ryan isn't going to give-up on a guy who was trumpeted as "part of the pitching solution" just yet. Diamond might be added to the bullpen--because I think the Twins will offer LHP (?!) in trade! Duensing, Albers, Theilbar, (not Kris Johnson!), and Diamond will all be offered in some kind of a package and if it's Duensing that leaves, then Diamond will replace him in the bullpen.
To summarize: Diamond gets more swings out of the zone, more ground balls, fewer line drives, more swings and misses and walks fewer batters.
I have also seen a lot of mention of Worley's injury. Diamond had the same surgery to remove bone chips as Worley did and he had his over three months later. Yet, Worley gets the benefit of the doubt and Diamond doesn't.