I understand some wanting a change in management. After two bad seasons most teams would have fired the whole front office. The fact that we didn't makes me proud to be a Twins fan.
P.S. Everyone is calling for TR and Gardy's head, but also hate the ownership. So if those guys get fired, who leads the charge and hires new personel? Who is to say that ownership won't mess it up even worse and we are stuck in a pattern of firing guys every two years until we get lucky enough to get a good GM...when TR is as well respected a GM in the league as any. Gardy would be a free agent for like 15 minutes before a team would throw a big salary deal at him...My brother
I don't love Smith, he was bad at his job imo, my point is, the lack of young players on the roster the last three years is on Ryan, because it takes 4-6 years to get to the majors. Blaming the lack of AAA talent and young MLB talent the last few years on Smith is bogus. That is all on Ryan's tenure....not on Smith's tenure. Yet people keep typing "they minors fell off under Smith" and such stuff. Saying AA and AAA were bad under Smith is an indictment of Ryan, not Smith.
Ryan could have signed Santana earlier or traded him while he was still GM. The Luis Castillo trade that Ryan did put the nail in the coffin as far as resigning Hunter or Santana. Santana pretty much said he wasn't going to pitch anymore for us. Yes, Smith could and should have gotten more for Santana, but everyone knew the Twins weren't going to be able to keep him past 2008 anyway, so it's not like we had too much bargaining power to begin with...and that's on Ryan
What was my strawman? Because if I made one, sorry.
Ryan has gutted the payroll, yes, no?
The young talent on the roster takes 4-6 years to make the majors, so that is on Ryan, not Smith.
The team would likely be better if they spent $20MM more on pitching.
Correia was signed due to scouting, not numbers.
I don't disagree with the premise that Ryan and Gardenhire should be fired. If the Twins were going to do that before the 2013 season they would have done it immediately after the season was over.
The dip in talent in the Twins system isn't entirely Bill Smith's fault. Even if you believe TR had basically no meaningful voice in Smith's cabinet, some of the bad drafts and busts in the minor leagues was on TR's watch before Smith even started.
As for Gardenhire, I think that it makes sense to bring in a new manager with all the new players the Twins will have coming up in the next two years. Gardenhire himself came in just when the Twins had an influx of talent.
As for the payroll, the owner and GM have said repeatedly that Ryan can spend what he wants to spend. I can only take them at their word on that.
Gardenhire shouldn't be fired because of the last 2 seasons. He should be fired because of his record against the Yankee's.
So, mike, given ALL this, do you STILL want to discredit Ryan by blaming him for a drop-off of the farm system that has NEVER been even remotely as bad as you have characterized it over the last couple years? And exactly how much CREDIT are you graciously extending to Ryan now that the farm system is one of the very very very best?
Do you understand why I think you're choosimg to be unbalanced and unfair in your criticism here? In reality doesn't supprt your opinion on this subject, my brother.
Blaming the Twins draft position (bottom third of the draft order since, like, forever!) is lazy, partially incorrect, and nothing but excuse making. Other teams find good players in the bottom of the first round, not to mention the rounds after that.
Ryan deserves credit for the trades....but how much credit does he really deserve for buxton? Had he taken Zimmer or Gausmann, the system would rank the same. That part of the system improvement is on the team sucking at the MLB level. If you will not sign free agents, you need to be better than the other teams at drafting and developing players. You can find good MLB players in the 20s.....if you cannot, then you are not better than the other teams, you are the same or worse. So, if Ryan's strategy is to only build through the draft and trades, his choice, then they need to be better than they have been. Or, you can accept that team's have to be this bad, and live with it.....but if that is the strategy, why are Willingham and Morneau still on the roster?
I do not buy the argument that teams cannot draft good players and develop them later in round 1. Not great, but good players.
I'd like to know which upside arms Ryan passed up on in his first stint as GM that turned into top of the rotation starters. Anyone know?