Um my point of view was just reiterated in what you quoted....seriously...read what you are responding to in context! And your own responses several posts ago suggested that what no one disagrees with" is bigot coddling! Which sounds a lot like disagreement to me.
Lev, maybe it's just your message board persona, but you might be the last person anyone here should take advice from on how to use reason to bring people to your side.
Message board personas are always different plus discourse here has snark and a variety of other factors that totally change the context of a discussion. It's true of any message board or comment section in existence. Reason is incredibly valid as a tool in real discourse but it is much less effective here. Shooting the messenger in this case hardly matters - I'm making a serious argument about something that matters in my life too. You and Psuedo have been falling all over yourselves to be offended rather than have a conversation. None of the points being made by me, riverbrian, or richard are offensive. You can certainly disagree but in this case the argument was not spun out by me, I've been trying like hell to keep it on the tracks. In essence, the exchange between howeda and I could've summed up the whole thing.
I don't necessarily want a response here because I don't think you really disagree with me on any of these points, but you're hellbent on seizing some higherground and maybe I am too, and that's just an impasse.
Please, when did I say it wasn't offensive? If we're talking about the same post, several other very intelligent, respectable posters attacked that stupidity and slammed it for what it is. While piling on to it was certainly tempting, I chose to address people I didn't think had idiotic points of view. Using upbringing as an excuse for bigotry is offensive, I just didn't pile on. I am baffled about where I said it wasn't offensive....care to share when that happened or are you once again twisting things to justify this need to be offended?Quote:
Someone in this thread basically implied that we can't really criticize hunter because he's black and from the south, and you really want to say that isn't offensive?
(I continue to find that odd considering, at heart, we don't disagree. This should be a civil discussion about tact rather than you slanting everything said that disagrees with your perspective on that as akin to the bigotry Hunter said publically)
And I took you saying nothing riverbrian has said in this thread is offensive, as nothing being offensive. But you know who posted that thing about being black and from the south basically making you homophobic and how we cant really blame those people? Well I'll let you look that up while you're looking for that hate speech. Or not.
I don't, I remember someone posting it but I looked back through the thread and it looks to have been deleted. I remember Brock attacking that post effectively enough that I left it at that. If someone else did, then I didn't read their post.Quote:
But you know who posted that thing about being black and from the south basically making you homophobic and how we cant really blame those people? Well I'll let you look that up while you're looking for that hate speech. Or not.
Seriously, you can't be a total douche about being reasonable and not being a total douche. My contention is that you really don't have perspective, so there's nothing to skew. No disagrees with the lasting power of thoughtful discourse--so if that's your argument, one wonders why you keep finding a place of disagreement. I've got my own theories, but I'm tired of your defensive flailing so I'll keep them to myself.
Yeah, it's quite strange why I have a problem with those sorts of butchered interpretations. I don't have to revise anything, your comments speak for themselves. The way your tone and responses have been interpreted by multiple other people expressing the same thoughts vindicate that as well. Insult away, I've read my thoughts - other than taking some potshots at liberals (which, yeah, was unnecessary) - they are advocating reason and compassion from start to finish. I've multiple times made clear points that it in no way defend's Hunter's dumbass comments. Your twisting is all over this thread in reply to multiple posters. I would suggest you'd take a few of your remarks and look in the mirror and leave it at that.
And it is I, alone, who get tired of your schtick. You've never had problems with more than one poster in a thread, god knows. I make no alms about my capacity for politeness and I'm not pretending I'm welcoming of just any old opinion, either.Quote:
The way your tone and responses have been interpreted by multiple other people expressing the same thoughts vindicate that as well..... Your twisting is all over this thread in reply to multiple posters. .
I was just participating in the discussion and trying to rationalize why so many people sound like Torii. I just believe that understanding where people come from is important and was trying to express that.
I do not want to be perceived as offensive or a bigot and regret whole heartedly if I came across that way. I hope that you, Psuedosabr or anyone else that may have been offended accepts my apology. That is honestly where "I" come from.
I honestly had no idea that my words could be taken that way. I really thought it was just a discussion... I apologize.