Butera's OPS+ ranks 4,053rd.
If Butera is on the roster next year, I'm going to struggle rooting for Terry Ryan to keep his job, frankly.
Its not that these are personal attacks on Drew/Jeff Gray.....each bitch about 'them' is a direct shot at Gardy/Terry Ryan.
The player cannot help it if they are not good enough.....they made the majors but are on the low side of talent in comparison.
This is all WHY are they are on the roster.....good teams dont have these types of players on them
I don't understand the sentiment that, generally, the 25 best players shouldn't be with the Twins. There are a few cases where it makes sense in terms of developing prospects (Clete Thomas was NEVER better than Aaron Hicks or Oswaldo Arcia, much less this year), but Butera isn't top 40 in the organization. Gray isn't top 40 either. Butera is a nice guy to pay a nice salary to stick at Rochester until he's 40, catching and working with prospect pitchers (but as a catcher, not a coach). The 25th guy doesn't make or break the team, but that doesn't mean that they should just give the last roster spot to anyone. Of course, that 25th guy MIGHT make or break the team in the playoffs pinch-hitting if the Twins get back there every again.
Chris Herrmann is in that top 25. And he fits in nicely next year with Mauer and Doumit, and as a fifth OF. Never again will Ryan Doumit ever have to play OF as Herrmann is a good OF defensively. And any defense lost from Butera to Herrmann behind the plate (not as much as one might think, though Butera seems to have most of his value in working with pitchers--see that whole AAA thing above) is made up by a minimum .100 OPS increase (likely .130-.160 increase) and defensive versatility.
What are Hermann's abilities as actually being a cacher, calling a game?
Herrmann would have reached base 8 more times this season than Butera. 8 times in 5+ months. Roughly 1 time a MONTH. That's even assuming he could maintain the same OBP after the jump to MLB!
This whole conversation seems silly when Butera is only getting 100 AB's.
How do you resolve these two opposite sounding statements Shane? If starting pitching is all that matters why the hatred for Buteras 100ABs?
Every roster spot matters, right down to the last man in the bullpen and the last man on the bench. Not as much as front line players, obviously, but they matter.
"He's just fine if everyone else does their job," "he won't play much, he doesn't count," and "he'll only pitch innings that don't matter" are three sides of the same poorly reasoned line of thought.
It seems that TR's "no scholarships" philosophy was mostly just lip service.
Interesting thought processes out there. Comparing Hicks and Arcia, two players not even AAA ready at midseason to Clete Thomas. If next year Arcia and Hicks are AA and Thomas is around Shane would have a valid point. Hicks got better as the season progress at hitting AA left handers.
Hermann a fine outfielder? Why would you convert him to catcher. As a backup Hermann should be useful, but don't expect a lot. Hitting wise in the minors he put up worse numbers than Clete did at the same levels.
The first quote has to do specifically with Florimon-Dozier-Carroll. I don't know of another MI in the Twins system who is better than those three. Maybe Escobar could be, but he isn't now.
Starting pitching is all that matters in terms of acquiring new players. On the other hand, Chris Herrmann is a better player than Drew Butera. Sure "all" that matters is an overstatement.
It is doubtful that Herrmann would merely get 100 plate appearances. Without a big drop from Doumit to Butera offensively to deal with (Herrmann probably cuts the difference in half), he can catch some more. Also, as a 5th outfielder, he would get more plate appearances. And Butera is clearly not a pinch hitter, but Herrmann could be used as one. He could get around 150-200 plate appearances. A .250/.330./370 slash is not at all out of the question with him. Even at .230/.310/.360 (probably the bottom for him), that is a significant improvement over Drew Butera and the Thomas/Komatsu debacle.
Yes Herrmann is a fine OF. Why convert him to catcher? Because also is at least an average catcher.
I don't expect "a lot" but I expect an improvement on the roster (no Butera, Komatsu, or Thomas, for instance). Herrmann is also a different hitter than Thomas.