Cockmonsters and the rest of his verbage is not the means to change minds. In fact, I'd argue this sort of thing is highly counter productive compared to letting someone's attempt to squelch free speech stand for the offensiveness that it is. Now that is lost in the shuffle of this gag, hilarious as it may be.Quote:
dunno, its got over 2 million reads now, I'm sure there are plenty of people on the "fence" about Gay marriage. Who knows if this Ayanbadejo/Kluwe thing is tipping point for some of those folks.
As for the specific issue that opposes gay rights it's African Americans and it's way worse then Republicans, and if we can't have the discussion about black people who hate gays we have a problem.
My big problem is this is Kluwe, and his complete lack of the ability to make a point without being an idiot and offending people. This amendment will pass this fall in large part because those in favor of it are unwilling to fight for the support of Republicans. If this was simply about gay rights then the vote would be simple, but the pro no side has made it about so much more. As a Republican who wants to vote no (again on something that will not result in any change), I need to know that the other side is not trashing Republicans in the process. You can't trash everything I believe in and get my vote. Politics is way to important to let the other side get away with this crap.
Chris Kluwe is freaking HILARIOUS. Big thumbs up to this follow-up post about his letter:
And I think Minnesota is going to vote this amendment down. The polls are showing a significant reversal on gay marriage in the past year.
And I love the "throws it in peoples' faces" line. As if the Religious Right isn't "throwing it in peoples' faces" by making gay marriage Double Secret Illegal in Minnesota or by routinely telling gay people that they're abominations and that they're going to hell. Nope, that's not inflammatory at all.
Kluwe is a punter AND a football player. One of the best athletes on the Gophers when I was part of the squad was Preston Gruening, who happened to be a punter. I had a high school teacher who went to three training camps as a punter before being cut each time, and he was one of the most athletic men I've ever met. Most special teams guys put in as much practice or more than any other player on the team to master their craft of the game. Calling Kluwe a punter, not a football player would be akin to saying Peyton Manning is a thrower, not a football player. It shows incredible ignorance of what goes into the game.
Kluwe's language would barely get bleeped on network TV most evenings, so before you go high and mighty about the language, evaluate the point behind the comment. And he had no violation of the first amendment, so you may want to brush up on the amendment yourself.
Many of us who watch South Park, laugh at stupid humor, appreciate follow language, make fun of Chuck Norris for his hypocrisy, and all of that still have the maturity to see that his response was not productive. His pre-message misses the point some were trying to make to him. Sometimes it's glorious to be a dick (we built BYTO on that concept) - but don't pretend you're doing anything more than that.
That was a brilliant exchange between the three of them, topped off by Kluwe's awesome smackdown. It will be strange to cheer for the punter this year . . . but I have to.
As a Christian, I find myself rather dismayed with my Christian brothers and sisters on this one. To be clear, I believe homosexuality is wrong, just as divorce, pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, lust etc. is wrong. Homosexuality fits into those categories as well, and Biblically speaking, you see it as the result of God giving man over to man's own depravity, and not the cause of man's depravity.
We also have to reconcile the fact that we do not live in a theocracy and that we live in a country where people are free to make decisions that are wrong so long as those decisions do not infringe on the freedoms of others. I fail to see how two homosexuals choosing to get married somehow infringes on my rights as a Christian. I still have the first ammendment right to say it's wrong. I still have the first ammendment right to refuse to recognize/perform gay marriages, and quite honestly, we can coexist peacefully with gays under these circumstances. The problem as I see it is that each side has a very loud vocal minority that tends to drown out the more reasonable folks. This really shoudln't be much of an issue at all.
Oh, and if you want some more things to chew on, look up how marriage licenses came to be. Perhaps the church should have told the government to go screw itself back in the Jim Crow days. Had it done so, this would not be an issue at all today.
How on earth can one legitimately claim that homosexuality is morally wrong?
Apply reason, please.
That said, as I said earlier, despite my opinion on homosexuality, I don't see why homosexuals cannot live freely in this country just as I can.