to the last poster: no his unintentional walks are nowhere near the top end. Go look that up. He does well, no doubt, but he's isn't a league leader.
also, just to be clear, I'm not slighting Mauer. He has an excellent eye at the plate and his OBP is a credit to him. But the idea that he doesn't hit aggressively in key situations is that he doesn't see hittable pitches is false IMO. That excuse doesn't fly to me.
He's right next to another hitter who is notably too passive, Mike Trout. :)
Also, he's 13th lowest in that time frame for 1st pitch strike percentage (F-Strike%). Is the best way to pitch him really to groove the first pitch?
I'm kinda not sure what this is supposed to mean anymore, but I enjoyed the database queries. :)
Mauer has had his share of flops with men on base and 2 outs but then there are games like last year in Cinci. Down 1, men on base, 9th inning. 2 strike count and Aroldis Chapman on the mound. Your choice is 100 mph fastball or 90 mph LH slider. Mauer got the slider and hit a double, and won the game for the Twins. Chapman blew his first save of the year. I think Mauer was responsible for something like 25% of AC's earned runs for all of 2013, and he did it on that swing. I don't think there's another LH hitter who could have done what he did in that spot. Maybe even including Votto.
edit: OK it was 2012 and Chapman's 3rd blown save. This is why you trust stats, not your memory.
... and there was nobody on base. Nope, just a bases empty double. Hammer took Chapman deep for the game winner.
Well that's the last time I type something from memory.
Would have been nice for Joe to answer the call and respond with a great day at the plate today for all us supporters. But alas...... another o-fer. Two K's, one looking and one swinging, and little two ground outs, one into a double play, and a sweep by the Oakland A's.
I seem to remember Mauer often getting behind 0-1 and not getting ahead 1-0. Pitchers are usually laying it in there because they know he probably won't swing..... what is the percentage of takes on the first pitch for him anyway? 80%? 90%? Today....... all takes on the first pitch, three for strikes, and one for a ball, but it was right on the upper part of the strikezone, right down the middle, and by rule, could have been a strike, or, for many hitters, the meat they are hoping for to drive it out of the park.
As for memory......... we see what we want to see, and hear what we want to hear.
Joe had an OPS of .873 from 22-30, the average for a catcher is .748.
Gwynn averaged .847 for his career, much less of a gap between the average corner OF of .777. I get that it was a different era. But the gap is larger than the difference in era.
I expect Mauer to have about the same as the average 1B from here. Personally, I think Mauer should be playing LF or RF for the next 4-5 years anyway. To widen the gap between him and his peers so we can sign a bat. He is athletic and has the arm.
But again, 99% of the criticism of Mauer is a joke. He if a HOF player and we should be thankful he is on our team.
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In the mean time, yes, we "apologists" will continue to point to the decade he spent as a Hall of Fame caliber hitter, "for a catcher". The words you chose made it appear that such a standard is widely discredited, when the opposite is in fact true.
Thanks for the stat. I am well aware of this stat, and that facts are facts. I did say "us" supporters. I also remember that Joe Mauer didn't even play until May 1st in 2009, his MVP year. And I remember Justin Morneau was batting .202 on May 6th and .233 on May 27th in 2006, his MVP year. The season has always been a marathon, and not a sprint. It is nice when they come out of the blocks strong, but a lot of good things can still happen to great players when that doesn't happen.
You know how Mauer could impress me? March into Ryan's office and volunteer to play LF and demand they sign Morales to play 1st base.
Moderator note: Let's leave out the back and forth chiding of one another. It serves no purpose other than to get tempers flared. Keep the discussion on track, please, and leave the personal stuff out.
Most people still like Mauer as a player and are willing to think he's a decent person. We're also probably still proud of the successful local boy. However, his overall value appears lower than his cost.
If Mauer had remained a catcher, he would be considered "one of" the most valuable catchers today, but definitely not the clearly best catcher, which his compensation would suggest he should be. Depending on who's counting, he would be considered more or less valuable than at least Posey, McCann, Perez, and Y. Molina.
Now that he's moved to first, his relative value declines further, because his defensive skillset is no longer rare. As a first basemen, he "may be" one of the 50 most valuable players in the majors. However, his compensation suggests that he should be one of the five or ten most valuable players in the majors. He's a good player, but not one of the dominant players in the league. We could all probably come up with dozens of players for whom we'd be happy to receive in an even-up trade, especially when factoring in compensation.
Because of his compensation, fans believe that the Twins have passed on other players because of salary requirements and may still be doing so. There has also been some damaged trust between the team and fans that is centered around Mauer, due to the unusual explanations for his lack of performance during the first year of his mega-contract and a suspicion that the contract was a calculation by the team that was more focused on putting fans in the seats than on winning a championship, despite any public statements to the contrary. Further, he's been the main guy on a team that has been tremendously disappointing for three straight years and appears headed for a fourth. Partly because of his contract, the team has also appeared directionless, because they've been neither truly rebuilding nor capable of succeeding. The root of the dissatisfaction stems from these issues.