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Yes, exactly right. This just adds more to the competitive balance out in the east. I hated always seeing ONLY the Yanks and the Sox at the top of that division, and now the whole division looks like any one of those teams has a good shot at the playoffs. Should make next September interesting that is for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by beckmt
amen , he was busy trying to lowball scott baker ,this just shows another reason for curly lyan to be fired , total failure to fix anything except lining the owners pocketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
Marlins have done this before. If it is so bad for the Marlins, why is it bad for the jays?
So, one of the richest people on the planet is spending his money to win. Good for him. If you are going to ask fans to pay a lot of money, and ask tax payers to subsidize your business, you should spend some of your own money too.
Btw, this is what bad teams should do, deal their overpriced veterans for prospects. It's how bad teams eventually get better, not by trying to be "not bad" by signing and keeping mediocre or bad players around, but by dealing them.
Exactly right. Wish Pohlad would do this. Just for not as much money as the Blue Jays just spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
This is one of the most idiotic things i have ever seen. The Blue Jays just added 50 million in payroll. Be realistic here, there is no way the Twins would up the payroll to 125 + million......cmon now....Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnydakotaamen , he was busy trying to lowball scott baker ,this just shows another reason for curly lyan to be fired , total failure to fix anything except lining the owners pocketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Top Gun
What if they Marlins had dealt Buerhle for a good minor leaguer or two? What if they then dealt Johnson for a MLB player or two? What if they then made a third trade, and dealt Reyes for 1-2 MLB players and a prospect? People would be saying they had made three good deals, gotten younger and maybe better, and freed up money to re-sign Stanton and maybe add a FA or two.....but because it is one trade, it somehow bad?
People on this board were debating if either pitcher was worth a legit prospect or not, given their salaries....now they get real value in return, and it is a bad idea? From a baseball perspective, putting aside the stadium just being put in (you really should not cut salary in the first few years of a new stadium, it should go up a lot, otherwise why get one?), isn't it a good baseball trade?
That said, I'd 100% rather have an owner like the Jays have....one that wants to pay the price to win.
Its more like $35m in added payroll for 2013, by my count. A deal like this does make you wonder, at least, how did it go down? I would love to know.
Yeah, that is exactly right. Based on what we know, they added a headache, a utility infielder, one OK prospect and one prospect who wasn't a top 30. That's very different than the scenario that you laid out above.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
Exactly a very different scenario. You hit this one right on the head Seth. Redmond deserves better than this. I wonder if he knew this might happen when he became their manager? Either way it seems like the Marlins did not want to go through all the headache of multiple trades, and just do a straight salary dump, or else like mike wants wins said they would have done multiple trades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth StohsYeah, that is exactly right. Based on what we know, they added a headache, a utility infielder, one OK prospect and one prospect who wasn't a top 30. That's very different than the scenario that you laid out above.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
That's not what Hardballtalk said. They said that if you take out the stadium and impact on other free agents, that it was probably a good trade for Miami. I don't know anything about what they got, frankly. I am going by that one article. And wouldn't it be worth just getting rid of Buerhle? People said here he was worth nothing in return, nothing, because of his age and salary.
This makes the Orioles the best bet for the cellar in the east.
Plus, why is no on talking about the Jays side? They are spending money and trying to win. That is awesome ownership. Awesome. Wish we had that here. An owner that would go get two starting pitchers and a potential all star SS. Maybe we do, maybe they'll go out and get some good to great players. We'll see. It has never happened in their history, but maybe this year is different.
Probably, they had a lot of guys play out their minds last year. Mostly pitching wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris in Osaka
I hear what your saying, it would be nice for the Twins to go against the grain and go out and sign some guys but realistically, they probably wont. All we as Twins fans can do is hope they prove us wrong and spend some money, although spending money does not always equal success.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
Agreed, spending money does not guarantee success. If you spend it well, it should increase the likelihood of success though. That's all anyone can do, work to increase the likelihood of the outcome you want.
True, but they are adding one of the best minor league pitchers in the game to their staff next year. But yes, I would think they will be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllhopeisgoneMNTWINSProbably, they had a lot of guys play out their minds last year. Mostly pitching wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris in Osaka
This may also make it more likely that TB blows up what they have. Now they have to compete with Toronto, Bos, NYY....maybe they look in the mirror and deal a couple of guys to reload. Maybe. Heck, their fans deserve that.....
How about the Marlins' payroll in 2013? Dan Brooks is saying on Twitter he's heard it could be anywhere from about 12.5 million to 25 million. Wow. Just wow.
The value of prospects and young under control players has never been greater.
The value of a veteran has declined.
The only the Marlins unload a few of those bad contracts is to include others that are reasonable in the deal. They couldn't get anyone to take Buerhle unless they gave up something else.
It isn't going to be easy to get significant value for Morneau. The Twins need to buy prospects on the form of paying a good deal of his salary next year.
Hummmm...who would the Twins have traded. Dozier, Blackburn, and what 5-6 prospects. Would a righty and lefty starter, a backup catcher, a shortstop, and a spare infielder have made the Twins more competitive?