Thread: Kubel and Cuddyer

Cuddyer still likes Coors Field and Kubel likes Chase Field (I think those are the current names) even better. Neither is tearing it up on the road.

Jason Kubel
	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Home	41	145	29	48	11	2	12	43	20	39	1	0	.331	.411	.683	1.093
Away	36	139	12	35	9	0	3	17	14	39	0	1	.252	.316	.381	.697
	77	284	41	83	20	2	15	60	34	78	1	1	.292	.365	.535	.901
Michael Cuddyer
	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Home	43	152	33	43	13	1	7	29	16	33	4	0	.283	.351	.520	.871
Away	39	140	11	34	12	0	5	21	8	34	4	1	.243	.276	.436	.712
	82	292	44	77	25	1	12	50	24	67	8	1	.264	.316	.479	.795

those numbers show why it was a great decision to let them go

Those numbers prove nottin and if the Twins would have kept just one of them they would be a 500 team right now. Letting them go and get nottin is not great.

Got JO Berrios, Luke Bard & JT Chargois.....wouldnt say they got nothing.
Saying one of those is worth 10-12 game difference if pretty funny.
If they woulda kept one of those, then Ben Revere doesnt play....& then we have the worst defensive corner OF in majors.
Great decision to let 2 overrated/whiny players go & start rebuilding.

The Twins got draft picks for them. I think we are better off with Willingham and Revere and this gives some salary flexibility for pitching. I think letting them go was the correct move

Absolutely it was the correct move to let them go... and I hope they both have great careers elsewhere, both are great people and very good ball players.

Kubel season is due to his finally bein able to hit lefties .287/.346/.468 in 94ABs vs a career average of .239/.312/.365 with Twins
Coincidence that he finally left MN & Joe Vavra???

Originally Posted by Top Gun

Those numbers prove nottin and if the Twins would have kept just one of them they would be a 500 team right now. Letting them go and get nottin is not great.

I didn't realize they were starting pitchers.

Originally Posted by greengoblinrulz

Got JO Berrios, Luke Bard & JT Chargois.....wouldnt say they got nothing.

And likely don't sign Willingham/Doumit (one, the other, or both) if they kept them.

Originally Posted by snepp

I didn't realize they were starting pitchers.

Cuddyer's career ERA is 0.00. A move from the bullpen to starting would make perfect sense.

Originally Posted by CDog

Cuddyer's career ERA is 0.00. A move from the bullpen to starting would make perfect sense.

I think his secondary stuff comes up a little short for the rotation.

Originally Posted by CDog

And likely don't sign Willingham/Doumit (one, the other, or both) if they kept them.

also time to start changing the culture/attitude here.
Couldnt stand hearing those 2 bitch/moan about not being able to hit in Target Field. Man up. Other dont have a problem there.
Plouffe .633 home slugging
Willingham .601
Span .503
Doumit .460
Mauer .444 vs .406 in 10-.350 in 11

How many games did Thomas, Konatsu, Parmelee, Valencia, Hughes, Burroughs ect, win for you? How many more losses and years before
your draft picks develop and will they. I believe in winning now the hell with tomorrow.

Originally Posted by snepp

I think his secondary stuff comes up a little short for the rotation.

You overlook his legendary sleight-of-hand pitch.

Remember how TRyan was NOT sold on Revere...wonder where he stands now. That cost us signing Komatsu/Thomas....tho Bens time in AAA with Bruno turned his swing around (thanks Joe Vavra).
Dont know how many people forget Ryan Doumit was our opening day RF. It took forever for TRyan/Gardy to get an idea of what this everyday lineup should be....for the most part (not perfect by any means). Gardy had Kubel/Cuddy hangover also.

No doubt Willy & Doumit were good signs, wasn't much for free agent SP out there, Buehrle, Wilson, Jackson, Kuroda was about it.

Originally Posted by Top Gun

No doubt Willy & Doumit were good signs, wasn't much for free agent SP out there, Buehrle, Wilson, Jackson, Kuroda was about it.

Hard to see where pitchers with the following lines would benefit the Twins:
3.25 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 4.13 k/bb
2.43 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 7.1 k/9
3.73 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 2.53 k/bb
3.50 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 2.59 k/bb
2.62 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 8.0 k/9
4.05 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 3.41 k/bb
3.51 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 7.0 k/9
3.69 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 6.9 k/9
3.44 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 2.52 k/bb

Straight up comparison before Saturday's games:
Kubel/Cuddyer - .278/.345/.504 .849 OPS
Doumit/Hammer - .274/.352/.501 .853 OPS

Same production, plus draft choices. Good call by good guys (Twins) on that front.

Where's the chart that factors in Cuddyer's veteran presence and his ability to keep people loose by doing illusions???

Originally Posted by a-wan

Where's the chart that factors in Cuddyer's veteran presence and his ability to keep people loose by doing illusions???

Charts are Dave's area of expertise.