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[DPJ]

The Giants went crazy when their defense came together. That may have helped Eli a bit, but it was that front four in particular that pushed them fringe to SB team.

Hmmm...lets see what meant more to the Giants winning the Super Bowl. Manning completing 65% of his passes, throwing 9 TD to 1 INT and having a QB rating of 103.

Or the Giants very good Dline...I'll take Eli thank you very much.

[diehardtwinsfan]

There's no way the Giants win that game if their defense doesn't step up... just sayin. The packer's offense was ridiculous and the Giants rendered them limp...

[DPJ]

There's no way the Giants win that game if their defense doesn't step up... just sayin. The packer's offense was ridiculous and the Giants rendered them limp...

Well yeah ofcourse, no QB is gonna win a game singlehandly. But if it comes down to having an elite Qb or an elite D-line any sane person will take the QB and it's not even close.

[TheLeviathan]

Hmmm...lets see what meant more to the Giants winning the Super Bowl. Manning completing 65% of his passes, throwing 9 TD to 1 INT and having a QB rating of 103.

Or the Giants very good Dline...I'll take Eli thank you very much.

QB elite play is pretty much essential to win now....BUT, I don't think there is any question that their first championship was won by a defensive line that ravaged an undefeated team in a way they hadn't experienced that season.

[SpiritofVodkaDave]

Vikings looked really good yesterday, 2-1 now, wish we were 3-0 but can't complain to much. 7-9 or 8-8 looks very possible at this point.

Ponder without a doubt has looked pretty damn impressive thus far completeing like 70% of his throws and having 0 Ints. It will be interesting to see how much the passing game improves with Simpson comimg back, besides Harvin and Rudoplh the rest of the WR/TE's have been atrocious thus far (Armashdou whatever his name is, looks like a decent enough #3 though i guess)

[TheLeviathan]

Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

[SpiritofVodkaDave]

Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

[biggentleben]

Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

Gerhart is a must. Harbaugh was his college coach and just may have known a particular flaw in his running that left the ball exposed more than usual. He was caught mouthing something to the effect of "I can't believe he did it again!" after the third fumble, so he may have been trying to go after Gerhart. I did feel it was poor form to have Gerhart back in there after the 2nd fumble. Regardless, Gerhart is a must on the team. He's a decent blocker, he's got good hands in the passing game, and you simply cannot go without another possible bell cow back on your roster, no matter how healthy the starter is at that moment.

[SpiritofVodkaDave]

Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

Gerhart is a must. Harbaugh was his college coach and just may have known a particular flaw in his running that left the ball exposed more than usual. He was caught mouthing something to the effect of "I can't believe he did it again!" after the third fumble, so he may have been trying to go after Gerhart. I did feel it was poor form to have Gerhart back in there after the 2nd fumble. Regardless, Gerhart is a must on the team. He's a decent blocker, he's got good hands in the passing game, and you simply cannot go without another possible bell cow back on your roster, no matter how healthy the starter is at that moment.

Adrian Peterson isn't your typical starting RB, the dude is a workhorse who can literally be in 90% of the snaps, the other 10% can be handled fine by Harvin. Toby seems like to good of a talent to rot on the bench for 5 meaningless carries a game, there are plenty of guys the Vikes could bring in to handle that "load", I'd prefer to trade Toby while he still has value and get a decent pick or player back in return.

I get having depth is nice, but if Peterson gets hurt the VIkes are screwed regardless of if Toby is the back up or not.

[TheLeviathan]

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

It's not a backhanded compliment - it's reality. Stinking for three quarters against the pitiful Colts defense is every bit as big a problem as his success against San Fran was a positive. He's played one good game - which is pretty much as many as he played last year too. The lack of turnovers is definitely a plus, but this team should have been 0-2 in large part because of his poor play the first two games. I'll wait until he's had at least another 49er game before getting too excited.

[TheLeviathan]

Jesus....this team is 3-1? Wow...Ponder looked awful, but they got it done!