Thread: Crasnick: U.S. leans on Joe Mauer

ESPN article about Mauer on the WBC team...

Joe Mauer and Team USA set to face Puerto Rico in WBC elimination game - ESPN

I thought he wasn't perceived well around the league and the national media? Huh.

Nice article...not surprised by the accolades. He deserves all of them.

The quote below is my favorite:

'"I think that's the way he carries himself on the field. He's a really big guy with a big target. When he gets in the box, he has pretty good confidence and he's a tough out. When I want to see a baseball player that has confidence and leadership abilities, he's the total package for me."'

And here I keep being told by so many Twins fans he has NO leadership skills. Hmm, if his leadership skills are evident to players not on his normal MLB team, imagine what he shows his Twins teammates.

God I love Joe Mauer.

Spot on, Puck.

And just to be clear, the quote Puck chose is from Jeremy Affeldt, not Crasnick. That bumps the value of it up quite a bit (with no slight to Crasnick intended).

Originally Posted by ashburyjohn

And just to be clear, the quote Puck chose is from Jeremy Affeldt, not Crasnick. That bumps the value of it up quite a bit (with no slight to Crasnick intended).

I did say that a player said it. Hopefully people know Crasnick isn't a player. :-)

Originally Posted by CDog

ESPN article about Mauer on the WBC team...

Joe Mauer and Team USA set to face Puerto Rico in WBC elimination game - ESPN

I thought he wasn't perceived well around the league and the national media? Huh.

That was a b.s. story that Joe Cowles told when he was on with Mauer hater Dan Barreiro.

I remember this garbage column from last year, I think it's all BS he made up.
Jim Souhan: Clueless Joe not cutting it any more | StarTribune.com

You contrast this POS to the story Tim Keown wrote for ESPN last year and wonder how Souhan even has a job.

The basic idea some people have of a leader in sports is so tired and cliche. You don't get as good as Mauer without being a tireless worker, willing to put in the hours it takes to be the best. That's an example to his teammates on what it takes to succeed, leaders set an example and it' obvious Joe does. The fact he does it with grace and humility is even more impressive to me, those are the most appealing traits of a leader in my mind. If I was around a guy like Mauer, I'd definitely be doing everything I could to be my best, I'd feel like I owed it to him.

No, I think nationally fans and media see the numbers Mauer puts up. Players on other teams see it. It's just a small percent of Twins fans and media that just don't get what he is and what he does. Too bad. Players like Mauer don't come along real often. Should appreciate it.

Figures Barriero would have had someone who said Mauer was not respected nationally. While Souhan's columns seemed to be more calculated to sell papers (after he wrote the article linked above he toned down his anti-Mauer stance a bit), Dan B. seems to have some real personal grudge and dislike against Mauer. Although I have not listened to him for a good year, so maybe that has changed.

Whenever I have heard Mauer discussed by the national media they almost come across as fanboys. I think he is very respected nationally. I think the most interesting articles about Mauer I have read have been by national writers. The local reporters are kind of lazy and tend to ask him predictable questions which he has pre-canned Mauer type answers ready. When a non-local reporter asks him something different, his answers aren't quite as generic. I give Mauer credit for acting like he was not savaged in 2011 when he deals with the press now.

Mauer probably should have handled the PR a bit differently in 2011 (the Twins definitely should have), and I understand some of the criticism, but I always felt that the fact that he might actually be dealing with a messed up knee was practically dismissed - and I think that viral infection really had some long lasting effects. When they were grousing about him not playing when he had pnemonia, I wanted to say -- look at him - he looks like death warmed over and can't even talk without coughing up a lung. I almost feel that the Twins did not simply say he tried to come back too soon and too quick after his knee surgery because it would be one more thing that could reflect badly on the medical/training staff.

Not to intrude on all the Mauer-love here but IS THE USA PLAYING IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND?

He may be perceived as a leader by the national media and by all of you posting here and I will acknowledge that he is a really, really good, really really professional ballplayer but until he actually LEADS a team past the initial rounds of the playoffs, I will continue to have my doubts. (Yes, I know he did it in High School but as a non-Minnesotan, I need to see it in mlb).

I am not blaming Joe Mauer for the USA's failure to advance into the next round (that is a lot more on the pitching staff than anything else). But look at how some of the other teams played -- the enthusiasm and the energy that seemed to make them better than they really are. I mean, a DR team that has Sam Deduno as one of its two primary starters? I'm very happy for him but c'mon, he isn't even assured a starting spot on the Twins, one of the pitching-thinnest teams in major league ball.

The teams that advanced all seem to play with heart, energy and enthusiasm. I just don't know that cool, controlled Joe Mauer can ever INSPIRE his teammates to play that way. They may emulate him but will that make them CHAMPIONS? He still has a lot to prove to me on that front.

Originally Posted by JB_Iowa

Not to intrude on all the Mauer-love here but IS THE USA PLAYING IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND?

He may be perceived as a leader by the national media and by all of you posting here and I will acknowledge that he is a really, really good, really really professional ballplayer but until he actually LEADS a team past the initial rounds of the playoffs, I will continue to have my doubts. (Yes, I know he did it in High School but as a non-Minnesotan, I need to see it in mlb).

I am not blaming Joe Mauer for the USA's failure to advance into the next round (that is a lot more on the pitching staff than anything else). But look at how some of the other teams played -- the enthusiasm and the energy that seemed to make them better than they really are. I mean, a DR team that has Sam Deduno as one of its two primary starters? I'm very happy for him but c'mon, he isn't even assured a starting spot on the Twins, one of the pitching-thinnest teams in major league ball.

The teams that advanced all seem to play with heart, energy and enthusiasm. I just don't know that cool, controlled Joe Mauer can ever INSPIRE his teammates to play that way. They may emulate him but will that make them CHAMPIONS? He still has a lot to prove to me on that front.

Everyone knows that quiet guys can't win. Just ask perennial loser Mariano Rivera.

Originally Posted by JB_Iowa

Not to intrude on all the Mauer-love here but IS THE USA PLAYING IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND?

He may be perceived as a leader by the national media and by all of you posting here and I will acknowledge that he is a really, really good, really really professional ballplayer but until he actually LEADS a team past the initial rounds of the playoffs, I will continue to have my doubts. (Yes, I know he did it in High School but as a non-Minnesotan, I need to see it in mlb).

I am not blaming Joe Mauer for the USA's failure to advance into the next round (that is a lot more on the pitching staff than anything else). But look at how some of the other teams played -- the enthusiasm and the energy that seemed to make them better than they really are. I mean, a DR team that has Sam Deduno as one of its two primary starters? I'm very happy for him but c'mon, he isn't even assured a starting spot on the Twins, one of the pitching-thinnest teams in major league ball.

The teams that advanced all seem to play with heart, energy and enthusiasm. I just don't know that cool, controlled Joe Mauer can ever INSPIRE his teammates to play that way. They may emulate him but will that make them CHAMPIONS? He still has a lot to prove to me on that front.

I wouldn't put it on the pitching staff, I'd put it on the terrible AB's and giving outs away. I was disgusted watching these guys play. No, this team wasn't patient and didn't even attempt to work counts or make pitchers work. That team should be able to score 4 runs on anybody, and it struggled to generate offense the entire tournament. Harold Reynolds attributed the poor performance to not playing all winter. While I slightly agree with this, I also think they don't work as a unit. There was no reason they shouldn't have been able to knock Deduno out of the game earlier. They sucked. Until the USA gets serious about this tournament they will continue to get beat.

Originally Posted by Badsmerf

Until the USA gets serious about this tournament they will continue to get beat.

And since there's no real point in taking it seriously, it will continue, and nobody in the US will care. As they shouldn't.

I'm not saying quiet guys can't win. But as important as Mariano Rivera was the Yankees, I don't think anyone would call him the primary leader of that team. (That was probably "The Captain's" role but they obviously had other leaders as well).

I am not saying that Joe Mauer isn't a valuable player. But can you look to Joe Mauer to be the PRIMARY leader on your team?

I have a lot of doubts on that front. But when his salary takes up 25%-30% or more of your payroll, can you (or will you) have another player (or two) who can demonstrate a more active, enthusiastic leadership style? (And, keep in mind that it also has to be a leadership style that doesn't undercut Joe Mauer in any way given his position on the team).

I've thought in the past that perhaps Morneau could do it but of course, his injury situation over the last few years makes it more and more unlikely. And despite what anyone may think of his skills, I think that Cuddyer did serve that purpose in earlier years.

But as Mauer ages and as this becomes more and more HIS team, it seems to me that it becomes harder to bring in anyone else who DOES have leadership skills that are different than Mauer's.

I am not knocking Mauer as a ballplayer. And I don't expect him to change his personality. But I do seriously question whether he can be the primary leader of a championship team.

(As for the WBC, I've enjoyed it thoroughly -- and I really appreciated the intensity and heart demonstrated by the DR, Italy and Puerto Rico. I'm also looking forward to watching the Dutch and Japanese. My understanding is that the WBC is partially owned by the players -- if they can't get "their own" American players to take it more seriously, then shame on all of them).

Team USA, and every other country's team, will never be a perennial powerhouse because of the WBC's tournament structure. Not because of lack of leadership or effort or fan support. Its a basketball tournament with baseball teams.

Mauer hit nearly .500 in the WBC. He did his part... Nothing he can do to help the other guys hit better. Rah Rah is great and looks good, but it doesn't make people better.

Originally Posted by ThePuck

I did say that a player said it. Hopefully people know Crasnick isn't a player. :-)

I guess this explains the yearly "teh reading comprehension skillz need improving" comments on my report cards at school.

If it was about the USA winning and always winning, maybe MLB should force all players to play. They could say that players must be citizens of the country they play for. Puerto Rico could be part of the US, the same way that Curacao is part of the Netherlands. Adrian Gonzalez could have played 1B for the US.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

Mauer hit nearly .500 in the WBC. He did his part... Nothing he can do to help the other guys hit better. Rah Rah is great and looks good, but it doesn't make people better.

lots of snark in this thread, and I was going to avoid posting......but I hope everyone reads this from Seth, and remembers it next time Ryan talks about what a great clubhouse some guy is.