Thread: Reusse: Put Duensing In The Pen And Leave Him There

Originally Posted by Willihammer

I am open to the possibility that L-R-L-R is preferable but nobody seems to have any evidence besides anecdotes.

Since many managers like to rest players instead of playing them several games in a row, particularly catcher, it's even possible that L-R-L-R plays into the opponent's hands, instead of tempting them to use the same platoon players several days. I realize that at most it's a second-order effect.

Originally Posted by CDog

Oh my GOSH, but it totally should be like that! Although I'm picturing instead of a litter, something like a magician at an old-time carnival would use (or Gob's Aztec Tomb from "Arrested Development" for those who like newer references). And a lot of fanfare associated with the big reveal!!! This might be the best idea since Disco Demolition Night!

Having watched The Simpson's take on old-school pro wrestling last night, other grand entrances suggest themselves as part of the first-inning spectacle. Hipster Kevin Slowey being escorted to the mound by a bevy of horn-rimmed-glasses-wearing beauties, for example.

Originally Posted by Willihammer

Again, there would seem to be a disconnect between what these guys believe and the results.

I am open to the possibility that L-R-L-R is preferable but nobody seems to have any evidence besides anecdotes.

Well, with Morneau, we did see an improvement against LH hitters - esp relief pitchers. Whether that improvement was going to happen anyway, SSS or because of seeing similar patterns in Mauer's at bats, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Kwak

The occasions where it's OK to use duensing for multiple innings are: the Twins are way behind, the Twins are way ahead, the bullpen has been way overstressed and someone has to "bite the bullet" and allow some rest to the group.

Right....which would make him a long-relief "specialist". I don't understand why we're trying so hard to get out of a box that makes him a useful player.

Originally Posted by adjacent

It seems to me that what stringer bell is trying to sayis that, if you keep Duensing stretched to go more than one inning you could use him as a long reliever against a line-up that was prepared to face a righty.

Unfortunately, the rules of baseball force you to take out a specialist after one inning. You know, FORCES you. That's the rule...

Originally Posted by jokin

It's not so much the "people here" and their proposals that are bothersome, it's Twins management. That they still are proposing to possibly pull out this Duensing LHSP Chestnut, shows they don't understand sabre-reality and have failed in the offseason to secure a cheap rotational depth option at LHSP, while potentially leaving the Bullpen short a genuinely-proven valuable asset from the port-side.

These guys were all very gettable with just a hint of urgency on the part of the Twins: Joe Saunders, John Lannan, Jeff Francis for $1.5M, (Paul Maholm last year- the Twins could have locked him up for 2 years cheaper than Correia).

This quickly has become a favorite jokism for me: the Twins just don't understand sabre-reality.

Originally Posted by birdwatcher

This quickly has become a favorite jokism for me: the Twins just don't understand sabre-reality.

I'm pleased that you're amused. Now that we have that out of the way, could you now explain to me the Twins FO rationale, and the numbers they are looking at, for contemplating making Duesning a starter again? And if another left-handed starter was truly needed, why Duensing qualified over the other available FA candidates?

Originally Posted by birdwatcher

This quickly has become a favorite jokism for me: the Twins just don't understand sabre-reality.

Contemplating using Duensing as a starter again isn't a very good counter arguement against that assertion however.

Originally Posted by birdwatcher

This quickly has become a favorite jokism for me: the Twins just don't understand sabre-reality.

Well, as recently as 2010, Rob Antony couldn't even tell you what the acronyms "FIP" or "BABIP" stand for, much less whether or not he thought them useful, so perhaps the joke's on you.
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If the Twins even knew what BABIP was, they might not have signed Nishioka and his ~.400 BABIP inflated Japanese batting crown.