Thread: Dozier vs. Rosario

Originally Posted by glunn

Logic and experience are completely on your side, yet I am enjoying the fantasy that Rosario will be a fast mover like Mike Trout. And if Rosario hits well again tomorrow, then he will bring additional joy to my otherwise bleak life. So please continue to be gentle when introducing reality into these discussions.

Although, Trout is only like 6 weeks older than Rosario, so... not quite the same movement.

Originally Posted by thrylos98

I am sure that the kid is having the time of his life and I hope he keeps it up, but I just don't see him making the roster.

BTW he is not formally invited to ST (every season the Twins give some uninvited minor leaguers some time with the big team and this is what happened here, but it usually happens after the cuts.) The timing of this is interesting, and maybe has to do with the fact that (the invited) Deibinson Romero has not played yet. Maybe something is wrong with him but I haven't heard anything to or against that effect.

I think that what Rosario is fighting for is Fort Myers vs. New Britain (to begin) this season, but I just don't see him start in AA for a lot of reasons including the temperature up there in April.

thrylos, my dear brother. Dear dear dear. You're making stuff up here, brother. There are thirteen Twins playing in the WBC. All of them are in the big league camp, because they were formally invited to get ready for the WBC. Several of them would not othwerwise be in camp, most notably Berrios and Rosario. This has been widely reported.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

I believe we officially have our first overreaction to early spring training stats... It took four games. I thought that it would happen a lot quicker.

Eddie Rosario is a legit hitter, but he's not ready yet... he can move quickly. But Dozier's much more ready at this time.

Im guessing Edwardos move to 2b , may not be his last.If Harris and Sano can not make the next step defensivly , we may see Rosario moved to 3rd

Originally Posted by birdwatcher

thrylos, my dear brother. Dear dear dear. You're making stuff up here, brother. There are thirteen Twins playing in the WBC. All of them are in the big league camp, because they were formally invited to get ready for the WBC. Several of them would not othwerwise be in camp, most notably Berrios and Rosario. This has been widely reported.

Me thinks your both right, especially when they play split games the twins will reach down into the minors camp and will bring up a couple of players ...And every player who will participate in the WBC is in the mlb camp to prepare for the turnement

If Dozier is so "ready", then maybe he can play shortstop for Minnesota? In my opinion, Carrol is a bench guy, and Florimon and Escobar are AAA material. Eddie is MLB material. Dozier might be, but he sure didn't look like it during his extended playing time with MN last year.

Obviously we won't see Eddie next year in Minnesota. But it sure would be more fun than seeing these other posers.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

I believe we officially have our first overreaction to early spring training stats... It took four games. I thought that it would happen a lot quicker.

Eddie Rosario is a legit hitter, but he's not ready yet... he can move quickly. But Dozier's much more ready at this time.

I would bet that at this time next year, people will be screaming for Rosario to start the season in Minnesota.

And...if you read the post, it's hardly an overreaction to anything. Facts are stated, as well as my opinion. It would be A LOT MORE FUN to watch Eddie struggle in the majors, than to see the AAA clown squad we are going to roll out there this season

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

Although, Trout is only like 6 weeks older than Rosario, so... not quite the same movement.

Yeah. Trout is on another level.

Eddie is a very talented offensive force, and will be a top-of-the order guy in the bigs. Offensively, Eddie is ready. Defensively, no.

Originally Posted by mnfanforlife

I would bet that at this time next year, people will be screaming for Rosario to start the season in Minnesota.

And...if you read the post, it's hardly an overreaction to anything. Facts are stated, as well as my opinion. It would be A LOT MORE FUN to watch Eddie struggle in the majors, than to see the AAA clown squad we are going to roll out there this season

I have no doubt that a year from now, we'll be clamoring for Rosario to be in the big leagues... but not now. Some people can't get past that first impression that a player makes in the big leagues. Dozier was not good, but that doesn't mean he can't be good. His ceiling is not near Rosario's, for sure, Rosario's upside is so high, you don't mess with his development.

Originally Posted by mnfanforlife

Yeah. Trout is on another level.

Eddie is a very talented offensive force, and will be a top-of-the order guy in the bigs. Offensively, Eddie is ready. Defensively, no.

How are you so certain that Rosario is ready offensively? Cuz he's hit well late in early spring training games? I believe in him completely, but it's not because of 8 spring at bats. Let him breathe.

Originally Posted by birdwatcher

thrylos, my dear brother. Dear dear dear. You're making stuff up here, brother. There are thirteen Twins playing in the WBC. All of them are in the big league camp, because they were formally invited to get ready for the WBC. Several of them would not othwerwise be in camp, most notably Berrios and Rosario. This has been widely reported.

The only special invite WBC players in Twins camp are Rosario, Berrios and Albers. Stuifbergen has been training with Blyleven and the Netherlands team for a few weeks already. But, Beresford, Martis and Colabello and Deduno and Guerra are formal Non-Roster Invites.

The Twins will bring other minor leaguers to some big league games after they start camp next week, and once the Twins have sent a bunch of players down to minor league camp.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

I have no doubt that a year from now, we'll be clamoring for Rosario to be in the big leagues... but not now. Some people can't get past that first impression that a player makes in the big leagues. Dozier was not good, but that doesn't mean he can't be good. His ceiling is not near Rosario's, for sure, Rosario's upside is so high, you don't mess with his development.

These points you have made here, cannot be argued with. Completely agree. I hope Dozier can reporduce his NB numbers with Minnesota....then you can play Dozier at SS and Rosario at 2B in 2014.

Originally Posted by Seth Stohs

How are you so certain that Rosario is ready offensively? Cuz he's hit well late in early spring training games? I believe in him completely, but it's not because of 8 spring at bats. Let him breathe.

I think he is ready because he was awesome post-face-surgery, and stepped it up a notch in winter ball. Its like the Sano situation...He played low-A, but was the 1st overall pick in the winter-draft back home. He is obviously being handled with kid gloves, and likewise for Rosario. For better or worse, i dont know. I just want to see them being challenged.

Originally Posted by Nick Nelson

Luke Hughes.

Luke Out.

Rosario needs to work for at least a year+ at second base defensively. Maybe September 2014.

Originally Posted by Shane Wahl

Rosario needs to work for at least a year+ at second base defensively. Maybe September 2014.

Probably wont see Eddie for another three full seasons. I agree he needs a little time to get comfortable at 2B...but we need him to learn on-the-job in Minnesota. I say start him in A+ and promote him based on offensive performance, regardless of how he is playing defensively. If he keeps hitting in AA later this year...then let the upper level coaches teach him how to play defense. They are getting paid more than the A+ coaches, right? Well let them show why they deserve to be coaches in AA and AAA, and have them teach this kid how to play a serviceable 2-bag over the next two seasons. There is no reason for Eddie to be a minor-leaguer past 2014. None

Anyone that claims that Rosario is even close to MLB ready in any facet of his game is being a little ridiculous at the very least, the kid is a stud prospect no doubt...but has plenty of work to do as most raw talented young prospects do. I am stoked about his great 8 at bats, but lets be real..8 at bats mean next to nothing especially the first week of spring training! However this does get me more excited for 2014 and beyond!

It will be interesting to see where Rosario finishes 2013...floor is A+...ceiling is Sept call-up

Originally Posted by mnfanforlife

ceiling is Sept call-up

It really, really isn't.

Originally Posted by mnfanforlife

These points you have made here, cannot be argued with. Completely agree. I hope Dozier can reporduce his NB numbers with Minnesota....then you can play Dozier at SS and Rosario at 2B in 2014.

I certainly haven't given up on Dozier as a shortstop. If he could play decent defense and OPS .750, he could be a regular until the team is good again. As for Rosario, late '14 is the most optimistic anyone should be. Just in time to be part of the Twins' run in the playoffs in 2015!

Originally Posted by stringer bell

I certainly haven't given up on Dozier as a shortstop. If he could play decent defense and OPS .750, he could be a regular until the team is good again. As for Rosario, late '14 is the most optimistic anyone should be. Just in time to be part of the Twins' run in the playoffs in 2015!

I honestly don't see Dozier as Major League ready. Carroll has on base skills and is a better defender. They should give Dozier regular playing time at AAA. Carroll will bat second and probably do better than last year as he has now seen a full season of A.L. pitchers. Your 2013 Minnesota Twins infield. Florimon SS, Carroll 2B, and Escobar as the utility infielder. I kind of wish it was Pablo Escobar so they could increase the payroll.