Saunders

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

it sucks that I as a Twins fan, am grouped with you.

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I'm sure I'm stepping out on a limb here, but there's probably more than a few reciprocating this feeling.

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

OMG, how slow is an offseason when we cry and wine about NOT signing something called Joe Saunders. Get a life people. You would have been mad if we did sign him becaus we spent too much. Pessimists are the worst humans on earth and it sucks that I as a Twins fan, am grouped with you.

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I'm mostly with you. The Twins missed out on a lefthanded Kevin Correia and people are upset. I personally would have been upset if they went two years and that is what it would have taken.

If they signed Saunders in December people would have bitched. If they signed someone else people would have bitched. If they sign no one people bitch. It's the nature of a message board.

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Originally Posted by LoganJones

Generally speaking, if you feel the need to say something like 'get a life, people', don't.

Also, there is literally nothing worse than hyperbole.

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Ha, I don't agree with you on the offseason dirction, but I do here. I guess we can agree that the pessimists on this board are in fact not worse than child murderers and terrorists.

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Originally Posted by drjim

I personally would have been upset if they went two years and that is what it would have taken.

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Saunders turned down the Twins 1/10m offer then?

$7m isn't a bad price for a guy like Saunders but can't say I'm heartbroken they didn't get him. Though would have like him better than Pelfrey or Correia.

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Originally Posted by Willihammer

Saunders turned down the Twins 1/10m offer then?

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I personally prefer tbat they didn't get him. Assuming health through spring training tbe presence of Saunders would have almost certainly kept Gibson in the minors to start the season.

Nothing bad about extra depth and buying some development time but no reason the overpay for mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by mcrow

$7m isn't a bad price for a guy like Saunders but can't say I'm heartbroken they didn't get him. Though would have like him better than Pelfrey or Correia.

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I prefer Pelfrey and Correia is more or less the same guy (outside of handedness).

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Originally Posted by drjim

I personally prefer tbat they didn't get him. Assuming health through spring training tbe presence of Saunders would have almost certainly kept Gibson in the minors to start the season.

Nothing bad about extra depth and buying some development time but no reason the overpay for mediocrity.

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What would you say if I told you that over the last two seasons, Saunders and Anibel Sanchez had almost exactly the same ERA+ (107, 103 for Saunders...106, 105 for Sanchez) while pitching almost exactly the same amount of innings (392 for Sanchez...386 2/3 for Saunders)?

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Originally Posted by drjim

I personally prefer tbat they didn't get him. Assuming health through spring training tbe presence of Saunders would have almost certainly kept Gibson in the minors to start the season.

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1. He is coming of TJ
2. Service time

One final thought. I really find the butthurt over Terry Ryan "lying" pretty funny. I can only imagine how you respond to the rest of day to day society.

There is an easy way to respond if you are that upset -don't spend any money on the team! That will actually get their attention.

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Originally Posted by drjim

I prefer Pelfrey and Correia is more or less the same guy (outside of handedness).

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I think Saunders is better than either of the two and not coming off of a TJ.

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Originally Posted by ThePuck

What would you say if I told you that over the last two seasons, Saunders and Anibel Sanchez had almost exactly the same ERA+ (107, 103 for Saunders...106, 105 for Sanchez) while pitching almost exactly the same amount of innings (392 for Sanchez...386 2/3 for Saunders)?

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I would say Sanchez is overrated and vastly overpaid and I'm glad the Twins aren't on the hook for that contract.

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Originally Posted by Willihammer

1. He is coming of TJ
2. Service time

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1. Talent
2. Gibson is already 25

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

OMG, how slow is an offseason when we cry and wine about NOT signing something called Joe Saunders. Get a life people. You would have been mad if we did sign him becaus we spent too much. Pessimists are the worst humans on earth and it sucks that I as a Twins fan, am grouped with you.

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The Twins have a nice positive Season Ticket Forum on their own site.
If you have invested a few dollars in their product, you should be very happy there.

I was referring to the offseason in general.

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Originally Posted by drjim

I would say Sanchez is overrated and vastly overpaid and I'm glad the Twins aren't on the hook for that contract.

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Agreed. Anibal Sanchez is a quality hurler, but his little tease in the post season has people in Detroit dreaming of '4 Aces'. He's getting paid like one, i guess that's a start.

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

OMG, how slow is an offseason when we cry and wine about NOT signing something called Joe Saunders. Get a life people. You would have been mad if we did sign him becaus we spent too much. Pessimists are the worst humans on earth and it sucks that I as a Twins fan, am grouped with you.

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And it sucks that we're grouped with semi-illiterate neanderthals, call it a wash.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1335.gif

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

OMG, how slow is an offseason when we cry and wine about NOT signing something called Joe Saunders. Get a life people. You would have been mad if we did sign him becaus we spent too much. Pessimists are the worst humans on earth and it sucks that I as a Twins fan, am grouped with you.

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I'd never be grouped with someone who would write a post such as yours, so, yeah, I'm happily not grouped with you. One less person you need to be ashamed to be associated with.

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Originally Posted by twinsnorth49

And it sucks that we're grouped with semi-illiterate neanderthals, call it a wash.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1335.gif

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funniest part is, he writes such a negative, hateful post about people because they are writing negative posts...and he hates that.

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Originally Posted by drjim

One final thought. I really find the butthurt over Terry Ryan "lying" pretty funny. I can only imagine how you respond to the rest of day to day society.

There is an easy way to respond if you are that upset -don't spend any money on the team! That will actually get their attention.

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I cannot find the word (lying) anywhere in my post.

I simply asked a question.

I guess, throwing out some personal insults is easier then answering the question.

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Originally Posted by drjim

If they signed Saunders in December people would have bitched. If they signed someone else people would have bitched. If they sign no one people bitch. It's the nature of a message board.

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And then you will complain about all of it, whether it happened or not. And that is the nature of you.

Ok, just kidding, but is it really so terrible to put Gibson in Rochester to start the year? He's coming off an arm rebuild, has all of 100 innings in AAA, and with the exception of a nice K rate, kind of got his butt kicked there. I think he'll be good, but probably not in April or May. I'll take an extra year of team-controlled prime, even though he's already reached the ripe old age of 25.

And as not interested as I was in Saunders, Joe > Kevin in their careers so far.

If you agree with Ryan's decision to blow smoke up the ticket base's tail pipe, that's fine, it makes sense from a 'what's he gonna say, "we'll get some scrubs and suck again"?' standpoint. But why can't you make that point without making out the people who don't care for the liquid fertilizer sales pitch out to be anti-social powder kegs of rage?