More on Doumit's Defense

I don't think so Brock. The BP article has a difference of about 139 runs over 5 years, and the pitchf/x guy has the difference at only 38 runs last year. Or, about 78 runs if you scale to 162 games.

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Originally Posted by Willihammer

I don't think so Brock. The BP article has a difference of about 139 runs over 5 years, and the pitchf/x guy has the difference at only 38 runs last year. Or, about 78 runs if you scale to 162 games.

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This is true. The numbers I assume Brock is drawing from are the 5 year totals. (Not that I put a ton of weight in this particular arbitrarily-drawn-up study anyway.)

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Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp

Actually, you can make the argument that he's a negative value player when he's not catching because his bat is so below replacement level that he even detracts from the bench by simply existing.

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Yeah, but if you make that argument, then there's a mirror image argument that pins the blame right back on Doumit. At the moment Doumit was signed - no, at the moment the rumors surfaced that the Twins might make him an offer - it was clear, "they're gonna carry three catchers, namely Butera as the defensive specialist". Sign Doumit, detract from your bench, simple as that. At least, Gardy's bench.

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Originally Posted by ashburyjohn

Sign Doumit, detract from your bench, simple as that. At least, Gardy's bench.

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And that's entirely on the manager's bad habits/philosophies, not common sense.

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Originally Posted by FrodaddyG

And that's entirely on the manager's bad habits/philosophies, not common sense.

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Yeah, this.

Also, I didn't realize those stats were from a five year period (was reading on my phone). I'll have to take another look at them when I have more time.