'Twins general manager Terry Ryan has publicly stated that he's likely done making any more significant moves this offseason. But it doesn't mean that he's not checking in with current free agents to see if there's a match before Spring Training.
The Twins still have interest in starting pitchers such as left-hander Joe Saunders, and could add another third baseman to the roster, a player such as Brandon Inge. But Ryan has said that he's happy with the current roster if they don't add any more pieces this offseason. '
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If they are to somehow reach .500 this year, won’t we be wondering why they didn’t pick up a decent free agent at a position of need this offseason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
I understand the argument that the team is likely to become better and better positioned for success moving forward, as their top prospects get older and start entering the fold. But there are also things that can change for the worse going forward. What if Morneau and Pelfrey have good seasons and then leave as free agents, creating new holes? What if one of the young pitchers they’re counting on blows out his elbow next spring and misses the 2014 season? What if this year is Willingham’s/Doumit’s last healthy and productive one in a Twins uniform?
I just don’t understand making no real effort to improve the immediate quality of your product when you’ve got a 30-year-old Joe Mauer making $23 million, and a bunch of pretty good players around him. Makes absolutely no sense to me. There are times where it’s logical to throw the towel in on a season before it begins but this isn’t one of them.
What you said is that anyone being skeptical about future payroll dollars being as high as we might expect is that they are being "baselessly negative". Again, to try and diminish a point of view with some pretty smug BS. This offseason and the spending patterns give PLENTY of valid reasons for skepticism about future payroll. Until we're shown a tendency differently, it's perfectly reasonable. It's all speculation, but it's not "baseless". That would be a far more appropriate way to describe your response.
I think this whole idea of expecting big things in 2016 is ridiculous and asinine. We have no idea what kinds of factors could come about in the mean time, positive and negative, that could completely derail that idea.
We haven't been used to this kind of losing streak with this team for a while, but I bet that every year some baseball wonk writes an article about how the Royals sure look good on paper in 2012...2013....2014... ad infinitum.
Any player on the roster could be extended. That would include Pelfrey, Willingham and Blackburn along with Morneau .
You're using the payroll after two losing seasons as a model for how the Twins will run their business during their next competitive window? Really? I just don't think that's valid at all. The Twins signed Doumit/Willingham/Carroll/Marquis all after a losing season, just last year. That's the kind of signings I've always been talking about. The notions that the Twins payroll will actually be around 60 million and that the Twins won't acquire players to supplement their roster in 2015 seem baseless to me.
(As an aside, when correcting someone on their smugness, one probably should resist the urge to be smug. Again, I really don't think you even disagree with me here, you're just taking pot-shots.)
Given how much the payroll has dropped the last two years and not been replaced, it is perfectly reasonable to be a skeptic about how the payroll being dropped from Morneau and others in the future will be filled. You're basing it on hope and reasonable expectations. That's fine, I'm not criticizing your perspective. What I'm criticizing is you labeling skepticism "baseless". The skepticism is based on trends under this administration. It's hardly "baseless" - a claim you twice made.
1. When I see some proof that payroll isn't going to keep going down, I'll believe it. Until then, well, lets just say the trend isn't encouraging.
2. I, for one, think 2016 is a nice pipe dream to sell fans. If that gives you a warm fuzzy, great. As for me, my fandom is pretty much tied up in 2013. I don't give a rat's arse about how many games they might win in 2016. Even if you could somehow predict what the Twins will look like in three years--which none of us can--how does that help you enjoy watching this team? I'm paying money in 2013 to watch the 2013 team. I'll worry about the 2016 team in 2016.
Starting this season, the Twins should have a steady flow of prospects coming through the system. Will they work out and play well right off the bat? Probably not but it's possible that they come up and start playing well a hell of a long time before 2015.
That was the year after Santana and Hunter departed, a season that was billed quite openly as one for rebuilding. And so the Twins hacked down payroll and took the cheap route in free agency, filling holes with players like Livan Hernandez, Mike Lamb and Adam Everett. Because, I mean, why spend money when you're rebuilding? Great call. Missed the playoffs by one game.