01-20-2013, 01:22 PM #81
Last edited by Willihammer; 01-20-2013 at 01:26 PM.
01-21-2013, 12:35 AM #82
01-21-2013, 02:11 PM #83
Listened to Gleeman and the Geek and they referenced Butera's catching ability with respect to framing pitches. They had him saving several runs a year. They may have a different source for data, but I did find data here.
To summarize for Twins catchers.
Name Pitches Runs 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 Per 150 Joe Mauer 33903 24 6 8 4 4 1 0.11 Drew Butera 11762 -3 1 -1 -3 NA NA -0.04 Ryan Doumit 27070 -69 -16 -8 -2 -10 -33 -0.38
The last column is mine to try to add some context. It is runs saved per 150 pitches which is about the number the Twins averaged per game last year. Edit - Presumably if a catcher is getting more strike calls and saving runs, he is not seeing as many pitches per game and the figure is lower. On the other hand, if a catcher is not getting strikes called the number of pitches will be greater.
Butera is above average at other aspects of defending the catcher position. I haven't seen evidence that framing pitches is something he does well. He appears to be league average but with his bat doesn't he need to be an elite defensive catcher?
Last edited by jorgenswest; 01-21-2013 at 06:00 PM.
01-21-2013, 02:29 PM #84
Great, now we have a meaningful starting point for comparison that includes Butera and 2012 data.
If you use fangraphs' weight runs created, Butters is worth .04 runs per PA. Doumit is worth .13 runs per PA, and Mauer, .16. If you assume 4 PAs per game, that works out to .16 against Doumit's .52, and Mauer's .64. Subtract defensive runs cost due to pitch framing, and youre looking at something like
Butera: 0.12 net runs
Doumit: 0.16 net runs
Mauer: 0.75 net runs
Obviously that's before you add in any runs saved or lost by catching baserunners.
Last edited by Willihammer; 01-21-2013 at 02:37 PM.