J.J. Hardy

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Originally Posted by CDog

Because of when and how things happened, you can get a pretty good idea. FIRST a member of the media seeks out Hardy for an interview to do a story. That story comes out, and immediately Hardy then SEEKS OUT someone mentioned in the story AND SEEKS OUT media to go out of his way to clarify and correct how things came off in the original story. Do you suppose he did that because...I can't even think of a good reason unless it was because he felt so bad about giving the wrong impression the first time around.

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It was after meeting Vavra face to face when the two teams played each other.

You know, I'm not on either side of this argument, I'm just saying I understand both sides of it. Both sides have legitimate stuff to fall back on in their argument. I presented both right here. I don't think either side should say the other is blatantly lying. It's all up for interpretation.

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Originally Posted by ThePuck

I was ecstatic when we traded for him and royally ticked off when he was traded away. No hindsight for me. And Hardy was trade before Nishi signed. And it was Gardy who specifically said he wanted speed.

Hardy had an OPS over .800 in the 2nd half and had the best UZR/150 for starting shortstops.

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Yeah, getting a power hitting, slick fielding shortstop for the train wreck that is Carlos Gomez was a savvy move...And an equally unsavvy move by dumping him for Hoey (whoey?)

What Hardy said about the Twins' hitting approach is dead accurate....David Ortiz was always being asked to drop singles into LF for the Twins. No doubt Vavra worked on Hardy's swing and probably helped JJ have a huge 2012. This was just a situation where JJ was candid (too candid) with a member of the media, and it got slightly out-of-hand.

One of the things that bugs with this PED era is you never are really sure when someone's numbers are legit. Ortiz leaves here, becomes a healthy and very productive player. Hardy goes from injury prone and 6 HR to being healthy and hitting 30 per year. My point is not that he started a new dietary approach, but I hate that I wonder if he did.

I don't understand the compulsion to dwell on this move. I don't know whether it's some kind of an emotional attachment to JJ Hardy or an addiction to the feeling of self-satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so", but seriously, it's 2013. The contemporary relevance of moves made in 2010 ended a while ago. Ramos for Capps was a dumb move too, and also labeled as such by many people as soon as it was made. But there hasn't been anywhere near the amont incessant whining over that like there's been for the Hardy trade.

It's not like this move alone doomed the past 2 seasons. You know what you get if you take the 2011 and 2012 Twins and add JJ Hardy?

2 bad baseball teams. Hardy would have made them a little less crappy, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that we would have been playing meaningful baseball in September but for the decison to trade him.

Time to move on.

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Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

I don't understand the compulsion to dwell on this move. I don't know whether it's some kind of an emotional attachment to JJ Hardy or an addiction to the feeling of self-satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so",

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That part, right there.....and then piling on.

But you'll be admonished for opening the dead dove as well. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/1087.gif

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Originally Posted by one_eyed_jack

I don't understand the compulsion to dwell on this move. ... The contemporary relevance of moves made in 2010 ended a while ago.

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The "contemporary relevance" lives on as "who will be playing SS for the Twins in 2013."

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Originally Posted by nokomismod

One of the things that bugs with this PED era is you never are really sure when someone's numbers are legit. Ortiz leaves here, becomes a healthy and very productive player. Hardy goes from injury prone and 6 HR to being healthy and hitting 30 per year. My point is not that he started a new dietary approach, but I hate that I wonder if he did.

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A filthy comment--you as much accused Hardy of using PEDs because he hit 30HRs and didn't get injured. Ortiz?, Fenway has The Wall in LF to turn routine flies into hits, and Manny Ramirez batting behind him that makes it really undesirable for a team to walk Ortiz. reading Hardy's comment in Feb '12 states the the Twins "point-out" when a player "rolls over" a pitch into a ground out. Somehow I suspect that Boston was more "restrained" in their comments. Recall that Ortiz was basically fired despite hitting 20 HRs.

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Originally Posted by USAFChief

The "contemporary relevance" lives on as "who will be playing SS for the Twins in 2013."

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It would be him? Surely we would have flipped him for a player to be bitched about later any how.

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Originally Posted by nokomismod

One of the things that bugs with this PED era is you never are really sure when someone's numbers are legit. Ortiz leaves here, becomes a healthy and very productive player. Hardy goes from injury prone and 6 HR to being healthy and hitting 30 per year. My point is not that he started a new dietary approach, but I hate that I wonder if he did.

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Don't believe that guys only use PEDs after they've left the Twins. Papi may well have been on the juice before he left.

If Hardy was juicing in this era of testing he probably would have been caught.

While we're at it, Bad Bill Smith trades, Bartlett, Garza and hard throwing minor leaguer for Delmon Young, Harris and centerfielder who I can't remember. Then Young to Tigers for Oliveros and some bad minor league pitcher. So, Bartlett, Garza, somebody for Oliveros an somebody. Bad, you betcha.