Thread: Article: Under-Delivering

Originally Posted by old nurse

Considering what Miami received for Sanchez, and to a lesser extent Buerhle and Johnson, could the Twins pull of a trade for Nolasco?

Id have to look up his stats , but isnt he carry a 4.50 ERA? i think he is around 8Ks/9 but does he have a winning record?isnt he just a more expensive Correia

Originally Posted by johnnydakota

Id have to look up his stats , but isnt he carry a 4.50 ERA? i think he is around 8Ks/9 but does he have a winning record?isnt he just a more expensive Correia

He seems to be one of the players that got a rep he didn't deserve after one fine season.

the Twins never sign big time free agents (1991 excluded)
so until they show that they will actually go out and sign people year after year, I never believe what comes out of the Front Office.

Originally Posted by benchwarmerjim

the Twins never sign big time free agents (1991 excluded)
so until they show that they will actually go out and sign people year after year, I never believe what comes out of the Front Office.

But there's always been a legitimate reason :-)

No one on this board can say they would have been Championship optimistic if they were the White Sox Fans or A's Fans or Oriole's Fans during the preseason in 2012. and see what happened? Positive things occured with all thier moves. Hell the A's traded thier best pitcher and still won!

Would you honestly have been happy if you were a Marlins Fan with all those expensive free agents last year? and see what happened?

Sometimes we have to trust management and thier plan. 2 years people - 2 years

Originally Posted by lightfoot789

No one on this board can say they would have been Championship optimistic if they were the White Sox Fans or A's Fans or Oriole's Fans during the preseason in 2012. and see what happened? Positive things occured with all thier moves. Hell the A's traded thier best pitcher and still won!

Would you honestly have been happy if you were a Marlins Fan with all those expensive free agents last year? and see what happened?

Sometimes we have to trust management and thier plan. 2 years people - 2 years

By two years do you mean you think we'll be legitimate contenders in two years?

Originally Posted by ThePuck

But there's always been a legitimate reason :-)

damn you, Metrodome roof!!!!

Originally Posted by lightfoot789

No one on this board can say they would have been Championship optimistic if they were the White Sox Fans or A's Fans or Oriole's Fans during the preseason in 2012. and see what happened? Positive things occured with all thier moves. Hell the A's traded thier best pitcher and still won!

Would you honestly have been happy if you were a Marlins Fan with all those expensive free agents last year? and see what happened?

Sometimes we have to trust management and thier plan. 2 years people - 2 years

You would have had a legendary career as a musician on the Titanic.

Originally Posted by ThePuck

He seems to be one of the players that got a rep he didn't deserve after one fine season.

If the team could identify a soon to be free agent pitcher that is just below what that team would make a qualifying offer for and trade for them before the season started. The team might trade cheaply rather than risk losing them for nothing. The Twins make a qualifying offer and either have a decent pitcher for another year or a draft pick that could land a better prospect than the sum of what they gave up. Nolasco came to mind because Miami might be that kind of team willing to make a trade.

Nolasco is just not a go pitcher and it would take a top 5 prospect.

All I expect for buying them a new stadium is for them to put a team on the field that looks like it can win the division every year. So to answer the question someone threw out there, yes I would be happy if I was a fan of the Angels in 2012. Angel management did everything they could (actually way more than they needed to) to field a winner. TR is not even trying to field a winner because he is way too cheap. I do not blame the Pohlads because unless they are saying things behind the scenes that they are not saying in public, I believe that they will pay what it takes to field a winner. They are just not being asked to do it since Billy Smith asked them to go to $115m in 2010. They did it without hesitation.

That's true! It is Ryan to blame. He can talk but can he walk?

Originally Posted by RodneyKline

All I expect for buying them a new stadium is for them to put a team on the field that looks like it can win the division every year. So to answer the question someone threw out there, yes I would be happy if I was a fan of the Angels in 2012. Angel management did everything they could (actually way more than they needed to) to field a winner. TR is not even trying to field a winner because he is way too cheap. I do not blame the Pohlads because unless they are saying things behind the scenes that they are not saying in public, I believe that they will pay what it takes to field a winner. They are just not being asked to do it since Billy Smith asked them to go to $115m in 2010. They did it without hesitation.

Just to nitpick, payroll was 97 million in 2010 and went to 112 million in 2011 and we all saw how that turned out.

Before the free spenders all over-react I'm just pointing out a fact not defending the Twins lack of spending this off-season. Although as long as we're pointing fingers, to not implicate the Pohlads as part of payroll going down is pretty naive.

Originally Posted by Kwak

This is consistent with the past two seasons and likely 2013. The pitching was not only ineffective, but Twins-developed pitchers were typically below par (in MLB) with respect to: pickoffs, holding baserunners, and fielding their position. It seems as if the franchise treated pitchers as a lower priority than the other positions.

So your saying they spent to much time teaching the young batters to bunt? but i think your correct in thinking that there is a lack of teaching and developing in the minors, i just think it is not just pitching that is lacking

Originally Posted by lightfoot789

No one on this board can say they would have been Championship optimistic if they were the White Sox Fans or A's Fans or Oriole's Fans during the preseason in 2012. and see what happened? Positive things occured with all thier moves. Hell the A's traded thier best pitcher and still won!

Would you honestly have been happy if you were a Marlins Fan with all those expensive free agents last year? and see what happened?

Sometimes we have to trust management and thier plan. 2 years people - 2 years

Gordon , is that you? step away from the pipe =)

Originally Posted by RodneyKline

All I expect for buying them a new stadium is for them to put a team on the field that looks like it can win the division every year. So to answer the question someone threw out there, yes I would be happy if I was a fan of the Angels in 2012. Angel management did everything they could (actually way more than they needed to) to field a winner. TR is not even trying to field a winner because he is way too cheap. I do not blame the Pohlads because unless they are saying things behind the scenes that they are not saying in public, I believe that they will pay what it takes to field a winner. They are just not being asked to do it since Billy Smith asked them to go to $115m in 2010. They did it without hesitation.

And now Bill is inspecting toilets in South American stadiums.....

Amen , if Pohlads wanted a winner they would have a winner....instead they want profit , so they have profit.
Just like Hal in Spankee land the kids only care about money

Originally Posted by old nurse

If the team could identify a soon to be free agent pitcher that is just below what that team would make a qualifying offer for and trade for them before the season started. The team might trade cheaply rather than risk losing them for nothing. The Twins make a qualifying offer and either have a decent pitcher for another year or a draft pick that could land a better prospect than the sum of what they gave up. Nolasco came to mind because Miami might be that kind of team willing to make a trade.

That makes a lot of sense. I wonder how many teams use that strategy consistently,or at all. Only issue is qualifying offers are at was , what, about 13M? Someone like Nolasco would probably jump on that, and probably wouldn't be worth it.

Still, though...for the right kind of player that'd be a good strategy.

Originally Posted by twinsnorth49

Just to nitpick, payroll was 97 million in 2010 and went to 112 million in 2011 and we all saw how that turned out.

Before the free spenders all over-react I'm just pointing out a fact not defending the Twins lack of spending this off-season. Although as long as we're pointing fingers, to not implicate the Pohlads as part of payroll going down is pretty naive.

In an interview with Jim Pohlad himself in Feb'10, it was mentioned that although normal policy is to have around 50% of revenue for payroll, during rebuilding years, it goes down quite a bit. So why is it naive to think that the Pohlads policy dictates drop payroll during rebuilding years, as we are in now?

Originally Posted by ThePuck

In an interview with Jim Pohlad himself in Feb'10, it was mentioned that although normal policy is to have around 50% of revenue for payroll, during rebuilding years, it goes down quite a bit. So why is it naive to think that the Pohlads policy dictates drop payroll during rebuilding years, as we are in now?

Read the post I was responding to. The poster indicated the Pohlads are willing to spend on a winner but it's Ryan's fault for not spending the money, that's just more than a little naive IMO.